<p>The saga continues. An opinion piece from the perpetrator in this week’s record.</p>
<p><a href=“WRAPS organizes campus-wide food drive, adapts to COVID restrictions – The Williams Record”>WRAPS organizes campus-wide food drive, adapts to COVID restrictions – The Williams Record;
<p>Forgive the quantitative jock inside of me, but can someone provide a translation.</p>
<p>“The narrow legalistic “free speech” issue is a total red herring that totally ignores the larger issues or teaching opportunities that mini refers to: how does a COMMUNITY appropriately respond to bigotry and hatred?”</p>
<p>Do you think that when these kids leave Williams they won’t encounter NAZI’s in the larger “community”? Do you expel them from America? And if you cold or would do you think they wouldn’t be out there in the larger world?</p>
<p>Suppressing speech only reinforces the anger that these people feel and aggravates the problem. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Thesw people want a reaction that is why they do outrageous things.</p>
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<p>I get it. It took me a while, but I get it. The message is clear:</p>
<p>Coddle the neo-Nazis. Shout down the Jewish students remembering the Holocaust.</p>
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I’ll happily marginalize anyone who considers genocide an acceptable idea, even if that means being painted a villain by the oh-so-precocious Julia. :rolleyes:
How thoughtful of her.</p>
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<p>Say that in 20 years when they are running around killing people they don’t like.</p>
<p>I feel like defending them in this way is in and of itself taking away the rights of Holocaust victims and those that would memorialize them. Sorry, but the oppressed take precedence over the oppressor.</p>
<p>This seems to me to get to the heart of it on both sides:</p>
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<p>I re-read her opinion piece. Still not quite getting her main point. Can someone please clarify? Is she making a point, or just assembling a bunch of paragraphs infused with polysyllabic words</p>
<p>There is no point besides pure unadulterated anti-semitism when you distribute Hitler’s Birthday posters in response to a Holocaust Remembrance.</p>
<p>The fact that people even consider “two sides” is precisely what is wrong with this picture. Folks, the guy who produced and helped distribute the Hitler posters hosts <a href=“http://www.nazi.org%5B/url%5D”>www.nazi.org</a> on his server. Looks like a duck, quacks like a Duck, waddles like a duck.</p>
<p>Watch out… You might get sued :-)</p>
<p>I can’t wait to see what happens with the lawsuits</p>
<p>“Do you think that when these kids leave Williams they won’t encounter NAZI’s in the larger “community”? Do you expel them from America? And if you cold or would do you think they wouldn’t be out there in the larger world?”</p>
<p>I DO!!! That’s precisely why I think the administration handled the situation so poorly. I could care less what they do with Julia. If Morty Shapiro and the trustees of my alma mater want to give a member of the proto-Gestapo a Bachelors degree, more power to them. They’ll lose my measly alumni donation - big deal, with such a principle involved. They’ll have cheapened mine, and that of every other Williams student and alum. But that’s okay; free speech and $190k will get you a degree these days.</p>
<p>But students from Williams WILL go out in the world, and some will hold positions of power. They are learning, from the example of adults whom I hope they hold in respect and admiration, to simply let things slide, and let the Nazis in their own organizations, businesses, churches, and states shout. I really don’t have a problem with letting the Nazis shout; I have a BIG problem with a moral compass that says that leaders shouldn’t be shouting louder.</p>
<p>Five years ago, a large crowd gathered at Stetson Hall at Williams to discuss “respectful discourse” - in a forum sponsored by the Administration - relating to a David Horowitz ad (vetted and accepted by the Williams Record) perceived by some to be anti-Arab and/or anti-Muslim. <a href=“WRAPS organizes campus-wide food drive, adapts to COVID restrictions – The Williams Record”>WRAPS organizes campus-wide food drive, adapts to COVID restrictions – The Williams Record; From the Administration in this case, NOTHING, and 17 people (mostly Jewish students, I expect) show up at a campus-wide townhall meeting to discuss posters of Birthday Fuhrer pinned to people’s doors. </p>
<p>What’s wrong with this picture?</p>
<p>BTW, for those who doubt what this is all about, here’s a news article that was posted at EphBlog.</p>
<p>It references a 17 year old student who gunned down seven people at his high school in Minnesota and the websites where he had participated in forum discussions about Hitler. That site and many others mentioned in this news article are hosted on servers owned by Throne Networks. Julia Cordray’s boyfriend is listed as the president of Throne networks on Virginia corporate filings. Take a gander at the sites he apparently hosts (the one advocating church arson is a real pleasure) and enjoy defending this guy:</p>
<p><a href=“AmericanDaily.com”>AmericanDaily.com;
<p>Oh, a year before this Minnesota high school kid murdered 7 people at his high school, he was investigated as the potential suspect in an anonymous threat to “shoot up the school” on Hitler’s birthday, April 20th.</p>
<p>“Through all our actions we’re cognizant that this is an educational community, and we’re [taking] this as an opportunity to learn,” Roseman said."</p>
<p>Hmmm.</p>
<p>Of course, as you know, the Columbine Shooting took place on Hitler’s Birthday, April 20th.</p>
<p>But, I can’t think of any particular reason a college should exercise an abundance of caution about stuff like that.</p>
<p>“Can someone please clarify?”</p>
<p>MikeyD: quick synopsis – pure bigoted bs that she’s 100% passionate about and proud of. One comment on EphBlog last week said that although she has a good vocabulary, she’s not very intelligent.</p>
<p>One word: Darfur</p>
<p>While Ms. Cordray is defending the rights of the oppressors, more people are dying.</p>
<p>Oklahoma City bombing, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Columbine and now the Va Tech murders…all on April 19 or 20. Coincidence?</p>
<p>I agree 100% with Mommusic about Darfur. Where’s the outrage? The world is silent.</p>
<p>^^This date has taken on a perverted kind of “meaning” for kids now. April 20 is also a day of drug celebration for kids–“420.”</p>
<p>It’s sad to watch.</p>
<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture[/url])”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture)</a></p>
<p>So the administration issued a letter, and that is that, no other meetings or actions or statements? Is this issue just kaput with them? End of the year stuff? </p>
<p>Are her boyfriend and his cronies still allowed on campus, despite a threat to a student? No restraining orders?</p>
<p>I remember on a public university campus in the recent past a huge debate about whether a particularly strident religious group could be allowed or banned from making a lot of noise on campus. I honestly don’t remember the outcome, but there was a very healthy debate about it, with meetings and discourse in the school newspaper. </p>
<p>Where is this spirit at Williams? This to me is the most frightening thing. Yes, they will encounter these types of nuts again in life. But the administration is not giving them a model as to how to approach it with any effectiveness.</p>
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Exactly, idad. And as mini notes, a David Horowitz ad is cause for a “respectful discourse” forum, but this is blown off by administration? Just the “perception” of an anit-Muslim slant gets the administration’s attention, but Hitler admiration that directly mocks a Holocaust remembrance is ignored. Bad, bad move, Williams.</p>
<p>This is an example of another approach. Obviously they did not completely fix the enitire problem, but they tried. Where is the Dove Institute at Williams? From the Detroit Free Press:</p>
<p>As Anger Over Flyer Grows, Unity Sought
Board candidates say they’ll fix error</p>
<p>May 3, 2007
BY EMILIA ASKARI
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER</p>
<p>As controversy over a Bloomfield Hills School Board campaign flyer continued to grow Wednesday, the executive director of an organization that promotes interfaith understanding stepped up to offer workshops to the community he says is in need of healing.</p>
<p>Jenny and Don Greenwell, the school board candidates who created the flyer deemed anti-Semitic by many who saw it, said they have a plan for fixing their error, though they wouldn’t elaborate on how.</p>
<p>“Tolerance is only the first step…but it needs to lead further to understanding and respect,” said David Blewett, who heads the Dove Institute, a Bloomfield Hills nonprofit.</p>
<p>He was among a handful of community leaders, including area clergy members, who spoke at a news conference, which attracted about 150 angry residents.</p>
<p>They were fuming about the flyer that featured a wizard-like figure wearing a robe labeled “School Board.” The robe is decorated with symbols, including a crescent and what appears to be a Star of David. Several members of the school board are Jewish. The wizard, some say, looks like Moses and appears to be casting a spell that ignites a pile of money.</p>
<p>It is supposed to be a representation of how the Greenwells, a husband-and-wife team, feel about how the district wastes money, they said. At the top of their list of wasteful uses is a controversial $121-million bond proposal that would finance the teardown and reconstruction of the district’s two high schools, Lahser and Andover.</p>
<p>Both the proposals and the Greenwells’ race are on the ballot Tuesday. The others running for the two open seats on the board are David Lubin and Ingrid Day.</p>
<p>The Greenwells agree that the flyer is offensive and apologized again Wednesday for what they characterized as a proofreading error.</p>
<p>“We didn’t ask for that symbol to be there,” Jenny Greenwell told reporters. She was heckled by the crowd.</p>
<p>“She should drop out of the race,” Eunice Ring, 73, of Franklin said.</p>
<p>There were a handful of vocal Greenwell supporters.</p>
<p>“This is a desperate attempt take people’s eyes off the target, that is, the bond proposal,” said John Skurnowicz of Bloomfield Township.</p>
<p>Copyright © 2007 Detroit Free Press Inc.</p>