<p>Great info Idad as usual. I have a super heavy weight 3-1 coat that I bought years ago at Lands End. Now it is really warm and I can zip out the down liner. BUT it is too warm for all but the coldest days. I sweat like a pig in that thing even when it’s below zero. And when the liner is out it’s too big for me so I really don’t wear it.</p>
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<p>I have a full-length wool coat and a full-length raincoat (Brooks Brothers I think). I haven’t worn them in probably a decade. I mainly use a Columbia 3-in-1 and a LL Bean down jacket along with layers. Today I have on Patagonia Capilene 3 long underwear under heavy jeans and a Nike Pro Combat long-sleeve under a heavy cotton dress shirt under a lambswool sweater. And Merino Wool socks. I have my LL Bean down jacket over that. It was 9 degrees this morning here and will be 5 tonight and this stuff keeps me warm.</p>
<p>My daughter likes to wear UnderArmor under jeans when it’s cold out and a jacket. She has a coat but she hates wearing it. She could have used it last night when we were in Boston.</p>
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<p>That’s the problem. And, when it’s cold enough for a winter coat, you almost always have on a warm fleece layer to start with, even in the house. When I wore my Columbia 3-1 jacket for snow blowing, I would either remove the insulation layer and wear it over the fleece I already had on. Or take off my fleece layer and wear the full 3-1 jacket over just a thin shirt.</p>
<p>BTW, here’s really what you get for the $$$ crazy expensive stuff. My Columbia 3-1 combo is functionally equivalent to the Marmot GoreTex shell and matching insulation layer. Both are waterproof “breathable” outer shells with hoods. Both have ripstop nylon synthetic puffy insulation layers. Both have “powder skirts” for skiing. The Columbia combo weighs 50 ounces. The Marmot combo with the powder skirt weighs 30 ounces. 28 ounces with the powder skirt removed. That’s a pretty big difference, but those last few ounces have a hefty price premium.Some of that weight is the extra zippers and stuff to make the liner “zip -in” and a zipper removable hood. Some of it is just lighter fabrics.</p>
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<p>Yeah. That’s the way I am. Those are dress coats. I would NEVER grab one unless the occasion called for a dressy coat. I can’t stand the length. And, frankly, in New England, people tend to wear practical coats and practical shoes in the winter. I am happy, however, that I can fit in my slim fit Pierre Cardin wool coat again, even if I don’t wear it! :)</p>
<p>Teriwitt - you must, must, must check out Canada Goose Jackets.
[Canada</a> Goose](<a href=“http://www.canada-goose.com/]Canada”>http://www.canada-goose.com/)
H, S and D swear by them. It’s actually too much for me in the car but they are out and about much more than I. My S loved his during winters in Montreal, D wears hers all the time in Ithaca and they all loved them during a recent cold snap in Beijing - insanely cold but they were warm all day. S’s GF bought a knock-off in China and even that one was great!</p>
<p>Teriwit:</p>
<p>For football, the Patagonia Tres-1 will be a better choice than the Doubledown, IMO. The DWR finish on the Doubledown means water resistant, but not waterproof. In a cold rain or sleet or wet snow at Solder Field, that jacket will be soaked thru by halftime. Water resistant DWR is only meant to keep you dry for a little while. Not sustained rain (or snow). Plus, the DWR is not 100% windproof like the waterproof “breathable” shell. And, I’ve been around the lakefront in Chicago enough to know that 100% windproof is really important!</p>
<p>The outer shell on the Tres-1 is waterproof “breathable”. That means waterproof. As in you may sweat like a pig, but snow and rain and wind is not getting in. Plus, the zip out down liner on that one is something that will get more wear as a stand alone piece than the either of the full-bore jacket combos will. Something like that is the ideal dry cold day around town jacket. I wear mine all the time:</p>
<p>[Zeus</a> Jacket | Marmot Clothing and Equipment](<a href=“http://marmot.com/products/zeus_jacket]Zeus”>http://marmot.com/products/zeus_jacket)</p>
<p>I can’t believe Marshall’s had these for $99. Heck, it’s so darn comfortable, I wear it watching football on the sofa sometimes. It’s like snuggling up under a down sleeping bag.</p>
<p>BTW, if you want to equip him for winter football games, a great place to start would be some of the new high-tech baselayers. I have stuff made with Polartec PowerDri. Marmot sells it. LLBEAN sells it. This stuff weighs nothing and is so warm. Top and bottom would be the starting point for me, dressing for an outdoor game:</p>
<p>[Lightweight</a> 1/2 Zip LS | Marmot Clothing and Equipment](<a href=“http://marmot.com/products/lightweight_12_zip_ls?p=224,216]Lightweight”>http://marmot.com/products/lightweight_12_zip_ls?p=224,216)
[Lightweight</a> Bottom | Marmot Clothing and Equipment](<a href=“http://marmot.com/products/lightweight_bottom_10610?p=224,216]Lightweight”>http://marmot.com/products/lightweight_bottom_10610?p=224,216)</p>
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<p>They make it various weights, but I have found the “lightweight” versions to be plenty warm. Way better than flannel linings for warmth because they wick moisture away. The real challenge is to keep insulating even after you’ve sweated a bit on the walk from the car up to your seats.</p>
<p>I think Patagonia’s version is called Capilene. Looks like the Capilene 2 is the equivalent of this lightweight Power Dry.</p>
<p>Many of the coats and shells for skiing and snowboarding are longer so your butt doesn’t get cold on the lift chairs.</p>
<p>LL Bean long underwear prices are better than those at Patagonia. I prefer Capilene 3 as a baselayer. I’ve never tried Capilene 4 - seems like it might be too warm.</p>
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<p>I like Marshall’s and TJMAXX bargain hunting. I’ve been able to find the Marmot baselayer tops and bottoms for $19.95 each.</p>
<p>If I were going to a football game at Lambeau this weekend, I would wear those baselayer tops and bottoms.</p>
<p>Then, I would wear a light fleece layer. I have this Power Stretch fleece that is warm, but stretchy.</p>
<p>[Power</a> Stretch Half Zip | Marmot Clothing and Equipment](<a href=“http://marmot.com/products/power_stretch_half_zip]Power”>http://marmot.com/products/power_stretch_half_zip)
[Power</a> Stretch Pant | Marmot Clothing and Equipment](<a href=“http://marmot.com/products/power_stretch_pant?p=135]Power”>http://marmot.com/products/power_stretch_pant?p=135)</p>
<p>For pants, I’d wear my rain pants over that. I don’t use them enough to justify GoreTex waterproof pants, but these are poor man’s version that are 100% wind and water proof:</p>
<p>[PreCip</a> Pant | Marmot Clothing and Equipment](<a href=“http://marmot.com/products/precip_pant?p=216,222,131]PreCip”>http://marmot.com/products/precip_pant?p=216,222,131)</p>
<p>If I knew absolutely that it wasn’t going to be wet or windy, I might substitute soft shell hiking pants. </p>
<p>On the top, I would then wear the puffy layer and GoreTex shell combo.</p>
<p>On my head, I’d probably wear a light fleece balaclava that can over my chin, under this water and wind proof insulated winter hat:</p>
<p>[PreCip</a> Insulated Baseball Cap | Marmot Clothing and Equipment](<a href=“http://marmot.com/products/precip_insulated_baseball_cap?p=216,171]PreCip”>http://marmot.com/products/precip_insulated_baseball_cap?p=216,171)</p>
<p>Hands would be critical, so I would go full bore with Power Stretch fleece gloves under GoreTex ski mittens.</p>
<p>For feet, I’d wear my warmest winter boots – my trusty old Sorels.</p>
<p>I think I would be dry and toasty.</p>