Mental Health Vote for Obama

<p>Three polls, one is SUSA, say Hillary is ahead in Ohio.</p>

<p>Rasmussen Reports
Date: 2/13
Ohio
Added: 2/14/08
Est. MoE = 3.6% [?] </p>

<p>Hillary Clinton 51%
Barack Obama 37%
Unsure 12%
Source </p>

<p>Survey USA
Date: 2/10-11
Ohio
Added: 2/13/08
Est. MoE = 3.6% [?] </p>

<p>Hillary Clinton 56%
Barack Obama 39%
Unsure 2%
Other 3%
Source </p>

<p>Quinnipiac University
Date: 2/6-12
Ohio
Added: 2/14/08
Est. MoE = 2.3% [?] </p>

<p>Hillary Clinton 55%
Barack Obama 34%
Unsure 9%
Other 2%
Source</p>

<p>Wow, Clinton’s lead in Ohio is quite big.</p>

<p>Supposedly she appeals to working class blue collar types, and supposedly there are a lot of them in Ohio.</p>

<p>Has anyone else noticed that the Democratic primaries have a LOT more people voting in them than the Republican primaries? I first noticed this with the Florida returns, which was esplly telling since the Dem primary “didn’t count”, yet there were huge numbers more of dem votes in that primary. Hillary got almost 100,000 (I think) more votes than Mc Cain in a primary that didn’t count. (and i am not pushing Hillary right now, just sayin)</p>

<p>It makes me wonder if Mc Cain can beat either one of the democratic candidates if the republicans don’t turn out in larger numbers in November. I guess there might be crossover votes of white men who refuse to vote for a woman, but still the difference in the numbers is noteworthy.</p>

<p>And the crossover votes might be anti Hillary, not anti woman. I’m just noting the voting patterns. It could be Obama getting everyone fired up. Still the Republicans aren’t getting out the vote as far as I can tell.</p>

<p>^ At least two were conducted before the Potomac Massacre! (and ensuing momentum!)</p>

<p>SuNA; the only way you should find any of my comment condescending, would be if you are someone who doesn’t know how economic, political, and international affairs operate. If you do know, then my comments aren’t pointed towards you. If you don’t know, then learn. Again, the only way they could be taken condescending is if you don’t know how things work. </p>

<p>As far as universal health care goes, that would definitely be a reason to vote for Hillary. She obviously has more experience in that arena and possibly making it happen. Much more so than Obama. Me personally, I don’t ever want a “Universal Health Care” system. Ever. I’ve lived in Europe and I’m familiar with it. I don’t ever want that for us. But that isn’t my most important reason for voting for someone, so I didn’t bring up specific positions.</p>

<p>And no vicariousparent, the MOST experienced candidate is not the most important criteria for me. However, some experience would be nice. Obama just doesn’t seem to have any worth speaking of. And the more posts that are printed here looking for something of significance, makes it even harder to pick him. People are digging deep for Obama and they aren’t coming up with anything. Unless he can show some experience or some accomplishments in the political, economic, or international affairs arena, there’s no way I’m going to be able to support him. Oh well, I looked. That’s the best I can do.</p>

<p>thanks for looking christcorp…oh well.
Did anyone notice in the Newsweek article, that Michele Obama, speaks about encouraging Barack to speak from his heart, reminding him not to get too detailed about Policy in these big arenas.
Apparently, the Harvard Law School graduate has a tendency to get too detailed, too heady, and she reminded him the best way to appeal to people right now.</p>

<p>Anyone interested in finding out the details, can easily do so on his web site.</p>

<p>So bottomline, the strategy is just to let Americans get to know him first!</p>

<p>Christcorp:</p>

<p>What specific experience do you think would qualify a candidate for the presidency? governing a state? None is running today, and GWB’s experience did not turn him into a great president. Running a successful company? Mitt Romney did, but apparently Republican voters did not think that was important. Legislative experience? Obama has some in both the Illinois and the US Senates.</p>

<p>What particular achievements distinguish McCain, Huckabee, Paul, Clinton from Obama? </p>

<p>Huckabee, I could never support. Paul hasn’t got a chance.</p>

<p>I respect McCain’s heroism, but I do not care for his stance on Iraq; I am disappointed at his retreat from categorical condemnation of torture; his economic advisors are at opposite ends from each other and he is uninterested in economic issues; and now, it appears his stance on public financing of presidential campaigns is, to put it mildly, ambigious.</p>

<p>Clinton’s experience is mixed and she seems to be unable to separate hers from that of her husband’s. Her chief difference from Obama is on health care, and I’ve already stated I do not like her plan, preferring Obama’s incentive-driven one to her mandate and garnish approach.</p>

<p>So, them’s the choices. I don’t think Obama walks on water; but, in my opinion, he is far and away the most appealing option.</p>

<p>Christcorp (and me too) is looking for meaningful PAST experiences rather than FUTURE promises.</p>

<p>Christcorp and simba, Both of you are looking for documented past experience as a prerequisite for voting for Obama. His legislative record in IL is excellent. His start in the US Senate is also very good given that his party was not in control for the first 2 years. But it looks like you are not impressed with what he has done in his short career. Go ahead and vote for McCain or whomever else you find more comforting to vote for. That is why each of us has the right to vote. </p>

<p>If we end up with President McCain, he will hopefully be kept in control by people around him and he won’t inadvertently start nuclear war in one of his legendary temper tantrums.</p>

<p>Name some of them.</p>

<p>From Time Magazine article, Jan. 16, 2008:</p>

<p>Obama was elected to the Illinois state Senate in 1996, when Democrats were in the minority. He proposed hundreds of new laws, including universal health care, tougher gun control and expanded welfare, but saw most of them spiked by Republican leadership.</p>

<p>He did have some successes, though — particularly in passing legislation sharply restricting the gifts that Illinois politicians could accept from lobbyists. Illinois has notoriously weak government ethics laws, and the Gift Ban Act was the first major new restriction since the Watergate era.</p>

<p>Obama also helped set up Illinois’ “KidCare” program that provided health care to children in families that did not qualify for Medicaid.</p>

<p>John Bouman, president of the Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law, said Obama’s work helped make the program more consumer-friendly. He also said Obama was often willing to give up credit for the legislation if that helped win Republican support.</p>

<p>“It tells you something that as a relatively junior member in the minority party, he was an important negotiator,” Bouman said.</p>

<p>When Democrats gained a majority in the Senate, Obama’s political mentor, Senate President Emil Jones, gave him high-profile assignments, including two contentious issues involving police — videotaped interrogations and racial profiling.</p>

<p>Police weren’t happy about recording their interrogations of murder suspects or having to study racial bias in traffic stops. Initially, they opposed both pieces of legislation.</p>

<p>But Obama made clear that something was going to pass with or without their support. Ultimately, police groups endorsed both bills and they won unanimous approval in the Senate.</p>

<p>Obama was generally regarded as an effective and practical, although decidedly liberal, state lawmaker. One of his Republican colleagues was so wowed that he has appeared in an Obama campaign ad, but others aren’t impressed by his legislative record.</p>

<p>“I would say it was run of the mill, honestly,” said Sen. Christine Radogno, R-Lemont, who entered the legislature at the same time Obama did.</p>

<p>Obama was a part-time state senator in that he served in the Illinois legislature at the same time he practiced law. He became a state lawmaker in 1997, four years ahead of Hillary Clinton’s entrance into elected office, as U.S. senator.</p>

<p>When Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, he said he wished to get things done rather than grab headlines, and cited Hillary Clinton as the sort of workhorse he wanted to be.</p>

<p>He teamed with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists.</p>

<p>Obama also joined with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending.</p>

<p>And he shared billing with a Republican presidential hopeful when he joined Arizona Sen. John McCain in sponsoring legislation that called for sharp, mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. The effort failed.>></p>

<p>[Obama’s</a> Varied Record - TIME](<a href=“http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1704117,00.html?imw=Y]Obama’s”>http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1704117,00.html?imw=Y)</p>

<p>During the first 8 years of his elected service Obama sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced</p>

<p>233 regarding healthcare reform,</p>

<p>25 on poverty and public assistance,</p>

<p>12 crime fighting bills,</p>

<p>97 economic bills,</p>

<p>60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,</p>

<p>21 ethics reform bills,</p>

<p>5 gun control,</p>

<p>6 veterans affairs and many others.</p>

<p>His first year in the U.S. Senate, Obama authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included *<em>the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, *</em>The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, *<em>The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, *</em>The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.</p>

<p>My 2 cents:</p>

<p>To echo something marite said, the fact that McCain admits he’s not well-versed in economics tells me he’ll farm that out to advisers. This is too reminiscent of Bush and his disinterest in foreign affairs. That didn’t go well, IMO.</p>

<p>In the 109th Congress Obama passed 15 major amendments, Clinton 7. </p>

<p>In the 110th, Obama 8, Clinton 5. </p>

<p>Neither have passed any bills this Congress.</p>

<p>For a cool graphic that goes with post #52, check out this NYT link:</p>

<p>[The</a> New York Times > U.S. > Image > Obama’s Record in the Illinois Senate](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html]The”>The New York Times > U.S. > Image > Obama’s Record in the Illinois Senate)</p>

<p>^^^ Interesting how the NYT wrote up all those stats on Obama, buy still they endorsed Hillary.</p>

<p>Don’t waste your breath—erhm, I mean, keystrokes, Momof2, Simba will disregard your very thorough answers to that disingenuous request to “name some of them.” He’s made up his mind that Obama is an “empty suite”—uh, I mean, suit;). Don’t confuse him with facts.</p>

<p>Obama has definitely voted on bills. No argument there. As a senator, that’s his job. He also voted present on about 126 bills. Voting present in my opinion is a cop out when you don’t want to take a stance. My concern however is in the bills that he introduced and became law. Those are the ones really difficult to find. Depending on how you interpret, I mentioned 2 in post 26 or somewhere on that page. Again, a far stretch. Yes, he has spoken out for a lot of issues. That in and of itself are not accomplishments. Supporting bills and such that others have written are also not accomplishments. All in all, as a politician, I just don’t think he has accomplished much.</p>

<p>Now, I don’t believe that you have to be a congressman, senator, governor, (politician) to become president. The fact that he didn’t really do much as a senator, I can live with. I then look towards his business and private sector accomplishments. He worked for a church group after college for a short time. Then went back for his law degree. Then for a couple of years he taught constitutional law and a couple years as a civil rights lawyer, About 3 years actually. Then he got elected to the Illinois senate. He stayed there until 2004 when he got elected to the US Senate. Wow; not much experience or accomplishments in the private sector either.</p>

<p>Look, this was not meant to be an argument. We each have things that we look for in a candidate. I asked some questions hoping that Obama could be a viable option for my vote. The more I research and ask questions, the less viable he becomes as a choice for me. Sorry, but for me, the candidate has to have some experience that we make him/her a good leader of the most powerful country on the planet. That experience can be in politics, economics, international affairs, business, etc… something. Even some of his own supported websites like: [BarackObama.com</a> | About Barack](<a href=“http://www.barackobama.com/about/]BarackObama.com”>The Office of Barack and Michelle Obama) and [What</a> Has Senator Obama Done? at Eburg Obama ‘08](<a href=“http://eburgobama08.org/2007/06/29/what-has-senator-obama-done/]What”>http://eburgobama08.org/2007/06/29/what-has-senator-obama-done/) don’t elaborate much. </p>

<p>These websites and supporter are his “RESUME”. He’s applying for a job, and we have to decide whether to hire him. Sorry, but he has one weak resume. And yes, there are a lot of people supporting him that know absolutely nothing of issues and how the government works. They are supporting him because they “Like” him. They “Feel Good” when he speaks. That’s fine; support him. I just can’t do that. McCain or Hillary are both more qualified with the potential of leading the country than Obama is. Condescending as it may sound, many of his supporters aren’t supporting him on substance but rather on emotions.</p>

<p>If some of his supporters can list bills that OBAMA introduced and got written into law; that would be great. If they can site programs or functions in the private sector that HE STARTED and worked through to fruition and accomplished something; that too would be good. Then I could have something to look at and possibly base support on. So far, what people have said and what I have researched is very skimpy and questionable as far as significance goes. Thanks for the opinions however.</p>

<p>Christcorp, I can understand why you think John McCain has more experience and qualifications for the job of President than Obama. But what makes Hillary Clinton so much more qualified than Obama for the job? She has been a US Senator for two years more than Obama (Wow—two whole years!:rolleyes:), but has never been a lawmaker at the state level. Obama served in the Illinois Senate for 8 yrs. Granted, Hillary was Bill’s First something-or-other for many years. But if being first Lady stands as a legitimate qualification for President, then Laura Bush could claim to be equally qualified. Break down Hillary’s avowed Thirty-five years of qualifying experience for me, would you?</p>

<p>Christcorp:</p>

<p>McCain does have more experience. Does Keating ring a bell? To me it rings a warning bell. Does his self-acknowledged lack of interest in economic policy raise concern? It does for me. So does his waffling on the issue of torture, which is enormously disappointing coming from someone who has personal experience of it.
As for Hillary Clinton, does it sound like she’s learned from her failure to pass a health care reform bill? It does not seem so to me.</p>