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<p>Indeed. The suggestion is laughable. Religiosity is taken as the norm and is pushed down the throats of all in this country on a daily basis. No one could seriously argue otherwise.</p>
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<p>Working hard = Protestant work ethic = happiness for the poor girl.</p>
<p>TXmom09, thanks for sharing your family’s experience. I was with you in '09 and again in ‘11, and several of my kids’ friends chose Baylor for same/similar reasons and are loving it. </p>
<p>I found this on the Baylor 2012 website. I don’t know what I think about it, but it’s interesting:</p>
<p>“That Baylor is different is not a bad thing. At the very least, if one is in favor of diversity, it makes sense to establish preserves of differing philosophical and intellectual customs at various institutions throughout the nation. If every university has exactly the same mix of constituents, there is no diversity among institutions. To use a biological example, there is more species diversity in a landscape of many valleys and mountaintops, with chances for populations to evolve independently, compared to a vast open plain, where everything is mixed, and local independent populations cannot arise as easily.”</p>
<p><a href=“Pro Futuris | Baylor University”>Pro Futuris | Baylor University;
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<p>Indeed. But apparently the god-free among us are running all the liberal schools on the East Coast. So we got that going for us.</p>
<p>I am electing Coureur my leader since I want to see 2013.</p>
<p>What’s our cults name again? Can we open a few campus clubs and spread the word?</p>
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<p>Schmaltz - thanks for lifting my spirits! :p</p>
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<p>It’s called The New Jerusalem Church of Elvis Slim and Triumphant.</p>
<h1>344 “Working hard = Protestant work ethic = happiness for the poor girl.”</h1>
<p>Except that the poor girl happens to be Catholic.</p>
<p>(Some might argue that it takes guts for a Catholic to attend a Baptist college. She may well be in a position to defend her beliefs–not exactly staying in her “comfort zone” or avoiding diversity, IMO.)</p>
<p>You guys are cracking me up. My best friend and I went to Baylor. He was Catholic, and it was NO problem AT ALL. I always laugh at the anti-Baylor sentiment on this board. College Confidential is so biased toward the ivy and upper level schools. That is fine. That is why it is here. To me, the purpose of college is not to go to the most prestigious school. I just wanted a decent education and to live a happy life. My dad got a full scholarship to Yale and did not live a happy life. He was EXTREMELY intelligent. He got a perfect score on the SAT in the 50’s… I went to Baylor and I am very happy and satisfied with my life. To me, that is successful. I’m not saying that if you DO go to Yale or Harvard, your life will be unhappy. College is about what FITS the individual. This board loses sight of that fact.</p>
<p>“College Confidential is so biased toward the ivy and upper level schools.”</p>
<p>-Careful, you are about to be attacked. I was very many times, since I have been promoting great opportunites for top caliber students at state UG. I strongly agree with "College is about what FITS the individual. " which is based on my kids experience, but I have been attacked many times for that.</p>
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<p>Personally, this is the first time I recall a discussion involving Baylor in the Parents Forum. Maybe the high school kids are down on it? Frankly, I avoid the “chance me” and other HS-dominated forums. </p>
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<p>You REALLY haven’t been reading the Parent Forum, have you? 
I’d say the majority of the parents evangelize for fit.</p>
<p>I’m glad you had a great time at Baylor.</p>
<p>A couple of points–first, the absence or presence of a Right-to-Life group is probably not the best litmus test for a mean ol’ lib’ral college, because at the elite colleges in the Northeast there are lots of Catholics who are liberal on every other issue except abortion. If you asked about groups that oppose equal rights for gays, or that fight against the teaching of evolution, you might have more luck in finding schools where such ideas are outside the mainstream.</p>
<p>Second, I would like to reiterate that, in my opinion, people who are atheists or agnostics, or who just don’t think about religion much at all, do not find themselves defending their beliefs at secular colleges (in particular, colleges like the Ivies), because nobody much cares what people think about such things as long as they are reasonably tolerant of what other people think. Nobody at Yale is going to condemn you for being an atheist, a Christian, a Muslim, or any other religion or non-religion. They will, however, condemn you for specific views that (in their view) denigrate others (i.e., if you are anti-gay rights) or are especially unscientific (ie., not believing in evolution). As noted above, abortion remains a wild card.</p>
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<p>I would like to read that clarification, too. It seems to me C.S. Lewis is a fairly famous example of someone who went from agnostic (or atheist?) to religious as he became more educated and thoughtful.</p>
<p>If being a Christian is a good thing, because it means you are “saved” does it matter if you come to salvation after serious intellectual gymnastics or because you just accept what your parents and pastor taught you? Doesn’t it work out the same in the end? If being a Christian is about much more than accepting Christ as one’s saviour, about actions, does it still matter if you understand nothing about theology and councils and history, but just exemplify Christian virtues in your daily life? Do you have to be a “thinker” to be godly?</p>
<p>I know young people raised in agnostic households who became very religious at HYPS (and the like) colleges. Not all are Christians. Some came from non-observant Jewish backgrounds. One just married a Rabbi. </p>
<p>Princeton has Peter Singer AND a pro-life group. On their website the groups posts at least one article refuting Singer. One reason I already had heard about Singer before this thread is I know someone who grew up in a household very supportive of abortion rights, who went off to HYPS (and the like), and became a supporter of right to life and anti-abortion legislation.</p>
<p>BTW Schmaltz - I am pretty sure “snark” isn’t a Christian virtue. oops. Of course, if I’m not Christian that may not matter. Or is snark frowned on in all faiths?</p>
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<p>wow - really Hunt? I hope I am misreading you. But if not, there’s the example of diversity of opinion among those with ties to HYPS (and the like) that some are hoping to find.</p>
<p>Lately it sounds like we are discussing seminaries here.<br>
We are still discussing UG college choices for various professional fields, correct? Religion has nothing to do with that. You are who you want to be, religion is just one aspect, political affiliation or none is another and there are many other aspects besides these 2. Going to catholic or other religious college or non-religios college has nothing to do with personal religious or other preferences. On the other hand, no education instituion has to bend to certain religious/political/other values of certain group. Nobody is forced to go to certain UG, everybody is free to choose what they want. There are plenty of jewish/muslim/hindu and whoever else kids at Catholic UG’s, so what? If they have personal difficulties, they have chosen to personally deal with them. Apparently it is fine with them by the virtue of their choice. The same goes for those conservatively oriented who decided to go to predominantely liberal UG. They will deal with that or ignore completely or decided to convert. It has nothing to do with their professional development.</p>
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<li><p>I agree with some recent posters that many in this thread have used Baylor to represent something it probably doesn’t resemble much, or much more than Notre Dame, Wake Forest, Davidson, or Boston College do. I hardly think its a spiritual monoculture where Biblical literalism trumps all.</p></li>
<li><p>As far as I know, every single Ivy-type, Eastern elite institution has a least one, and usually many groups of conservative students, who have a jolly old time proselytizing their views, complaining about how oppressed they are by the shadowy forces of Political Correctness and/or the liberal Administration, and hooking up with one another. (With the normal variations in what “hooking up” means, of course; I assume the boys and girls in Harvard’s True Love Waits group were, um, waiting in some meaningful way.) I think it’s true that these groups tend to cluster in the region of fiscal conservatives, market enthusiasts, and social libertarians, and that religious-based social conservatives are comparatively unrepresented. But only comparatively; they are present in some force everywhere.</p></li>
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<p>JHS: I really like your post, but want to point out that Baylor is the only school on your list that prohibits an official LGBT group on campus.</p>
<p>[Baylor</a> Professor Says Acknowledging LGBT Students Akin to Recognizing Skinheads or Klansmen | Change.org News](<a href=“http://news.change.org/stories/baylor-professor-says-acknowledging-lgbt-students-akin-to-recognizing-skinheads-or-klansmen]Baylor”>http://news.change.org/stories/baylor-professor-says-acknowledging-lgbt-students-akin-to-recognizing-skinheads-or-klansmen)</p>
<p>MiamiDAP- You just don’t get it.</p>
<p>Hmm, JHS, I read wis75’s post to suggest that religious people were in fact a subset of non-thinkers. Maybe wis75 really will come back to clarify what was meant.</p>
<p>I knew John Polkinghorne in the days when he was exclusively a physicist, before he became an Anglican priest and the author of “The Faith of a Physicist.” No question, he was a thinker when I knew him.</p>
<p>QM,
I hope you are as dogged in your determination to dissect ostensibly judgmental statements about non-religious people if and when you come across them.</p>