Sounds like a cult. 
My older son started investing 2009 when he made way more money than he needed over the summer. My kids both have libertarian leanings and vote for Democrats as the lesser of two evils. Younger son said all the PC nonsense at Tufts made him more conservative politically.
He got great deals at the 50% off sale?
I’m not sure a greater amount of sexual partners, premarital sex, drinking, or smoking could be equated as “liberal” behaviors. We’ve have had plenty of conservative politicians* and even religious figures** who practiced one or more of those behaviors.
Moreover, drinking and to some extent…smoking was associated much more with the “square conservative establishment” or “bourgeois capitalist tools” from the vantagepoint of some radical lefties I knew from undergrad at my LAC.
Among more mainstream folks post-college, drinking and smoking span across the political spectrum. Only differences I’ve noticed was what types/brands of drinks (liberals seem to be stereotyped into loving craft beers and PBRs whereas conservatives seem to be stereotyped into loving more mainstream mass market beers like Bud Light).
- Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, David Vitter, Mark Sanford, Larry Craig, Mike Crapo, etc.
** Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, Jim Bakker, etc.
Post #23, it certainly applies to Bill Clinton.
OMG, I just figured out I’m a closet liberal! I’d sooner drink out of a contaminated stream than drink a Bud light, it’s craft beers all the way. Noooooo!!
Yeah, it is important to note that in the original post “liberal” is being used with a distinctly political meaning but conservative is not. There are plenty of political liberals who are conservative in their social behaviors (meaning that they avoid excess and personal risk), and vice versa there are certainly lots of political conservatives who are quite liberal in their social behaviors (partying, sleeping around, spending money, etc).
I would agree that millenials are on that divide between democrats and libertarians, and in my experience one of the reasons they are not wholly in either camp is because of an increased distrust in big money organizations - they tend not to like government (pushing them away from the democrats) but they also tend not to like big corporations (pushing them away from libertarians).
You must have a problem with the packaging then, because it’s pretty much the same thing. Assuming that said stream was contaminated by serving as a horse urinal.
^^good one! It must be the packaging.
“I’m not sure a greater amount of sexual partners, premarital sex, drinking, or smoking could be equated as “liberal” behaviors.”
They are in the sense of being unrestrained. These are only politically liberal behaviors in the sense that some conservatives have predicted that liberal changes in policy would lead to more of them, which doesn’t seem to be true.
On the craft beer thing, I think the better descriptor would be “Hipsters” not “Liberals.” But also it’s not only hipsters that drink craft beer, despite that super bowl commercial. Not sure at all where Liberal drinks PBR comes from, that’s not a stereotype I’ve ever heard. I’d also imagine craft beer popularity varies widely by state. Colder states have bigger craft beer markets.
I can’t think of any issue that I would guess is both considered important by a majority of millennials, and where the majority of millennials would take the same position on the issue, different than Gen X or Baby Boomers. Closest I could venture is gun rights, where it appears Gen X tends to be against, Millennials tend to be in favor, and and Baby Boomers are somewhere in the middle, but even this I’m sure is highly contentious in all three generations and probably not one of the top issues for most of the country. So if we’re saying Millennials are more politically liberal, where are we getting that from? What position is very contentious between generations and also widely considered to be an important issue?
I think Millenials are much more open-minded about same sex marriage. That’s the first thing that comes to mind for me when I think of your question, @Vladenschlutte. It’s a total non-issue among my kids’ peers. I am a supporter but many of my generation and older are not, though the tides are turning.
Another issue would be marijuana legalization.
Those were the two specific issues I was trying to filter out when I said “considered important.” To me it seems that both are widely considered to be “Yeah, sure.” kind of issues. As in “Should gays be allowed to get married? Yeah, sure.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx
I can’t really find anything than that on how important issues are considered.
“think Millenials are much more open-minded about same sex marriage.”
Apropos of this, it was announced recently that Barry Manilow got married (to a same sex partner). He was always very discreet about this because he feared his female fan base would object. The overwhelming sentiment was - his fan base is fifty, sixty and maybe seventy year old women, and they would say - go, be happy. That comports with my experience too. I don’t know anyone of that generation who isn’t fully on board with same sex marriage. When you live to a certain age you realize how silly it is to care what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms.
I wish I could say the same, but sadly, this is not my experience across the board. In my last job, one of my supervisors was a gay ordained clergy member, and several of my co-workers (none clergy) had a problem with it. I’d say they were about in my age group and older (50s and 60s).
I know far more 50 and 60 year olds not on board with marriage equality than are. But I grew up in a rather conservative (but Democratic- go figure) area.
There’s a much smaller portion of people who want to make gay sex illegal than want gay marriage illegal.
If a man (or woman) is molesting children or beating his wife or girlfriend, yeah, I care what someone does in the privacy of their bedroom.
Hipsters tend to be stereotyped as overwhelmingly liberal politically and socially, especially by some online conservative websites.
PBR is commonly stereotyped in the NYC area and other parts of the NE as a beer of choice for hipsters and by extension, liberal drinkers on a budget.
Might be the areas we live in, but IME…it was Gen Xers* who tended to be more in favor of gun rights and more unrestricted private gun ownership along NRA lines whereas most Millennials IME tended to favor more restrictions or favor an outright ban.
Then again, IME there is some truth to the notion held by some that Gen Xers tend to be more conservative than Boomers or Millennials. After all, Michael J. Fox’s Alex P. Keaton wasn’t something dreamt up completely by the Family Ties producers. Plenty of them among some older cousins** and even many in my HS graduating class.
- Disclosure: I am one...albeit at the very tail end.
** Older cousins tend to be almost evenly split between tail-end boomers and Gen Xers…including myself and some younger cousins. Probably a reason why I can never take a boomer’s demand for automatic respect/deference by virtue of being a boomer too seriously.
You’re not alone on this - my experience seems to match most polls, with a solid majority of the older generations opposing and a solid majority of the younger generations in favor of same-sex marriage. I do see a tendency for liberals and Democrats to be in support while conservatives and Republicans oppose, again right in line with national polling.
Hipsters, like all counter-cultures before them, have chosen specific areas to stand apart from the rest of society. Alcohol isn’t really that odd a choice, and if you are on a budget PBR is an alternative to the more popular “cheap American beers”. All of which, including PBR, are terrible.
The Gen X’ers I know tend to be more in favor of regulation, while Millenials are more likely to be in favor of gun ownership. Neither seem to like the NRA.