<p>The planet is much bigger than the US. If your argument is that “duh - this is miss USA”, let’s not forget that the winners of this pageant move on to compete internationally. Additionally, we are talking about the younger slice of the population. Do our young women on average wear size 14 (whatever it means) or is that all women, us, middle aged ones included? </p>
<p>Okay, but these are 20 year olds and the average includes the obese which is a nationwide problem. I don’t really think the average college girl is a size 14. Nor, do I think a size 14 young women is likely to enter a swimsuit competition. Size 4 is not even all that skinny if you happen to be short. And, sizes vary, a lot.</p>
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<p>But we are not talking about most people. We are talking about people for whom fitness is something to be judged on.</p>
<p>Here is an interesting read:</p>
<p><a href=“Is size 16 'normal' - or a serious danger? These women are all Britain's most common dress size, so you'd expect them to be healthy, but a battery of medical tests came up with surprising and worrying results | Daily Mail Online”>Is size 16 'normal' - or a serious danger? These women are all Britain's most common dress size, so you'd expect them to be healthy, but a battery of medical tests came up with surprising and worrying results | Daily Mail Online;
<p>For reference, UK size 16 is US size 12. </p>
<p>Sizing does vary a lot.
What I find interesting and frustrating at the same time is that when I was in my teens and twenties, when * I could have really used sizing of 0-2*, it wasnt even on the table.
The smallest size was a three, but for most things the smallest was a five.
I had to learn to alter/ sew my own clothes, or wear a belt like it was a drawstring.
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<p>Fitness doesn’t mean skinny or size 2. This thing where beauty is about slimness is cultural. We want them to look a certain way. Sure some models and actresses exercise. But let’s not confuse this. Venus or Serena couldn’t have competed. Olivia Culpo was not (her words) “chubby,” as a child. </p>
<p>Coolweather, have you ever seen a female statue by the artist Rubens? I like them but they certainly aren’t accepted as the feminine ideal today!</p>
<p>^ I think Rubens only did paintings, not sculptures. </p>
<p>I watched with a friend who always has women over to watch. This year, I ran between rooms so that I wouldn’t miss the NBA Finals as well. I love pageants. More than I should. And I would like to brag that I called the winner from the very beginning. :)</p>
<p>Right!!! I was thinking of those many statues which have been called ‘Rubenesque,’ like the ones at the MOMA in New York; the large metal statues painted glossy black.</p>
<p>Some of the little pageant kids (Honey Boo Boo?) definitely fit into the Rubenesque category…</p>
<p>LW: I have seen some Rubens’s work. His “The Education of the Princess” is close to ideal today.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the 1995 “Benefits Supervisor Sleeping” work of Lucien Freud is a huge difference. It’s worth $36.6 million. But it’s not common.</p>
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<p>As a staff nurse, I would never want to wear street clothes at the hospital with a smock or lab coat over them. Hospital nursing is extremely physical work. Scrubs allow for much better freedom of movement when doing the many things which are required of us. There is no rationale that scrubs can only be used in the OR. Personnel who aren’t doing a lot of physical patient care actually do often dress as described above.</p>
<p>As for the article, I agree that anyone who has gotten body fluids on their scrubs should change and certainly shouldn’t go to a restaurant afterwards in them. We had scrubs in our unit available for just such an occurrence. You were supposed to change into clean scrubs if your own were soiled. That only happened to me one time, however. When dealing with a patient with an open wound, or prolific bodily fluids, we gown up to perform patient care in order to protect ourselves and our clothing. In the OR I work at, we arrive in our own scrubs. Anyone who is working in the sterile field is completely covered with sterile garments and gloves, masks, etc.</p>
<p>I would be willing to bet that the main vehicle for transmission of germs from health care workers to the public or to their patients is failure to wash hands properly after patient care rather than transmission from scrubs.</p>
<p>ETA:Sorry to continue this OT convo. I just looked at the top of the page and realized I’m responding to a post on the Miss America thread, lol. </p>
<p>I was really not into pageants at all and thought it was really shallow. Then I watched Kim of Queens - have any of you seen that show? It has shown me that what they’re really teaching these young ladies is confidence, the ability to speak in front of a crowd, develop their brain and to think on their feet. Some girls really do benefit from this confidence training. Sure they could get it other ways, but I get it a little more now.</p>
<p>Yes, Kim of Queens really changed my opinions on pageants. I don’t know if it really is like that in most places, but it certainly benefits the girls on that show.</p>
<p>Maybe he’s thinking of Botero.
His sculptures were rather Rubenesque.
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<p>Is this Rubenesque too?</p>
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<p>They were usually lying down.
That one looks more athletic. Look at her deltoids and biceps.</p>