Missing Malaysian Plane--2 aboard with stolen passports

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<p>I am not familiar at all with plane construction but how does something that big just “disintegrate”? (Asking the people on here who are way smarter than myself)</p>

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<p>‘disintegrate’ is euphemism for ‘exploded’</p>

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<p>I hate to even raise this spectre, but perhaps there is no debris because the jet entered the water intact.</p>

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<p>Oh. </p>

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<p>^Unless it were slowed significantly before entering the water, it wouldn’t matter, because hitting the water at high speed would be little better than hitting the ground. The force would break the plane apart. More likely they just are not looking in the right place yet.</p>

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<p>It’s a BIG plane. If it entered the water intact, it would not be hard to find. Even in the South China Sea.</p>

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<p>There are some reports of a possible door and part of the jetliner’s tail spotted by Vietnamese. </p>

<p><a href=“Malaysia launches terror probe over missing plane, debris reportedly spotted — RT World News”>http://rt.com/news/malaysia-plane-missing-crash-766/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>More recent reports say that debris reports were false alarm. </p>

<p>No further news I could find. Very sad. </p>

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<p>I think it is likely that the jet broke apart on impact, and that the remains will be found, but there have been so few of these incidents that I don’t see how anyone can predict with certainty how it will go. It took two years to find the large intact portions of the Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic, including 75 of the bodies. But I understand the China Sea is shallower.</p>

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<p>Yes, and the Air France incident, I believe, was attributed to an Airbus malfunction of some kind. </p>

<p>It is quite possible the airline isn’t saying anything until they have something verifiable to say. </p>

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<p>The Gulf of Thailand is on the continental shelf-- very shallow
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<p>No. That is the most important thing to determine as fast as possible, because if it is intentional foul play; there might be more people that can be saved at other potential targets.</p>

<p>People who get paid to hunt bad guys (physically or from behind a computer) do not get paid to feel sad about what happened yesterday. Sometimes uncomfortable questions must be asked.</p>

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<p>Agree that figuring out what happened and how to prevent similar re-occurrences is CRITICAL and needs to be figured out to prevent copycats or similar incidents in the future. People are and need to mourn, but answers are needed and hard questions and systems need examination. </p>

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<p>There are mourners and there are investigators. They are two separate groups of people There is no conflict between these two things. As for the general public, knowing what happened is probably more important than feeling bad about a tragedy but we likely won’t know anything for a while.</p>

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<p>I believe that the final report on the French plane attributed the crash to the inability of the crew to respond appropriately or to believe what the instruments were telling them. There was an initial mechanical problem (frozen tubes of some kind) that would not have been disastrous by itself. But the crew responded inappropriately, didn’t believe they were in a stall, and I think they also cited a breakdown in collaboration among the crew. They found quite a lot of debris from the plane in the first few days, even though it took them years to find the main part of the fuselage and the black boxes. There is a lot of stuff on a plan designed to float. I still find it spooky to think that such a big thing can just disappear. And the plan broke up on impact with the water.</p>

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<p>No distress calls. No nothing. Just a possible effort to turn around. It’s definitely odd.</p>

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<p>Yes, stolen passports get used all the time by illegal immigrants & criminals. But experts are saying in the news media that these circumstances are particularly weird. </p>

<p>Asian illegal immigrants typically don’t use stolen passports w european names. And European illegal immigrants don’t need to originate their journey in southeast Asia… </p>

<p>Illegal rings typically don’t put more than one person w a stolen passport on the same plane. </p>

<p>And why such circuitous routing to get to FRA and CPH?
Three flight segments:

  1. KUL-PEK (Malaysia Airlines)
  2. PEK-AMS (KLM)
  3. AMS-FRA, AMS-CPH</p>

<p>I’ve flown to Kuala Lumpur from western Europe several times. Plenty of options to do the trip in 2 segments. You certainly don’t need to go thru Beijing. </p>

<p>Weird…</p>

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<p>Yes, the tickets and routing you cited are certainly very odd. As far as I’ve read, experts seem puzzled. </p>

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<p>I read that China doesn’t require visas for someone who has proof that (s)he is ticketed to go somewhere else less than 72 hours after landing in China. So by buying a ticket to go on from Beijing, whoever was using the passports could fly to China without submitting his/her passport to the Chinese government to get a visa. </p>

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<p>The point is not about needing a visa to transit thru China. The point is if you are going from KUL to FRA/CPH, why bother transiting thru China at all? </p>

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<p>Is stealing passports especially unusual in any part of the world?</p>