More Torture! More Torture! More Torture!

[interesteddad]

<p>Mini:</p>

<p>Iraq began jerking the inspectors around in 1996, by refusing them access to sites. Here’s the entry for 1996 from this timeline:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_10/iraqspecialoct02.asp[/url]”>http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_10/iraqspecialoct02.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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In March, Iraq delays weapons inspectors’ visits to five different sites, drawing condemnation from the Security Council. Three months later, Iraq again denies weapons inspectors access to sites they want to inspect. The Security Council responds June 12 by passing Resolution 1060, which demands yet again that Iraq provide inspectors unhindered access but which stops short of authorizing or threatening the use of force to support the inspectors. Iraq blocks another inspection the following day, leading the Security Council to criticize Iraqi cooperation again, even though some Security Council members are beginning to voice reservations about what they consider UNSCOM’s confrontational tactics. </p>

<p>UNSCOM Executive Chairman Rolf Ekeus travels to Baghdad June 19-22 to work out how inspections of “sensitive” Iraqi sites will be conducted, but within weeks Iraq prevents weapons inspectors from searching several such sites. The Security Council again tells Iraq in August that it is violating its obligations. Before the year closes, Iraq rejects efforts by weapons inspectors to remove remnants of destroyed missiles for outside, independent analysis, resulting in yet more Security Council criticism of Iraq’s behavior.

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<p>Basically, 1996 was the year that Sadaam began painting his “Beware of Dog” signs although they were not permanently installed until 1998.</p>

<p>The inspectors were NOT reporting no signs of programs. In fact, here’s the entry for 1995:</p>

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Confronted by evidence uncovered by weapons inspectors, Iraq admits for the first time on July 1 that it had an offensive biological weapons research and development program, but it denies having ever produced actual weapons. That same month, Baghdad issues another ultimatum, saying that it will end all cooperation with weapons inspectors if sanctions are not lifted by the close of August.

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[mini]

<p>They DID stop allowing them in all kinds of places, following the genocide. They had cooperated, and it cost them a million dead, half of them children. </p>

<p>But there were inspectors there the entire time, up until December 16th, 1998. You’ve got your timeline wrong.</p>

<p>Here’s what I wrote:</p>

<p>“Clinton had weapons inspectors telling him repeatedly that they had no evidence of biological weapons, no chemical weapons, no plants, no delivery systems, and no nuclear weapons.”</p>

<p>I said absolutely nothing about reports of programs."</p>

<p>Read what Levin, Lieberman, Biden, et al. said in February 1998 (posted multiple times), and you get a flavor of the real extent of Clinton’s lying and cheating.</p>

[interesteddad]

<p>mini:</p>

<p>You have to consider the context. In the immediate aftermath of the 1991 Iraq invasion, it was discovered that Saddam DID have a full-bore nuclear weapons program, one that had a goal of producing a weapon before the 1991 invasion and was not that far from completion. This discovery caught the western intelligence agencies totally by surprise. In fact, the 1991 bombing had destroyed the program, but the US didn’t even know it. They bombed a manufacturing plant, were surprised by the level of activity the following day, and returned to bomb it even more heavily. They had no idea they had hit Sadaams “Manhattan Project”.</p>

<p>You have to take into account that failure of intelligence when you look at Saddam’s game of chicken with the UN inspectors that continued off and on throughout the 1990s.</p>

[ursdad]

<p>boy, if the dems can’t win this election i’ll be shocked. they will most likely never have a better opportunity considering the state of the u.s. (see katrina, the town in kansas hit by the tornado, the u.s. attorney’s scandal, the suppression of voting rights in both elections that the chimp won ,the misleading of a country into an unnecessary war,not to mention the trillion dollar price tag of that war, the failed no child left behind program, the torture of ‘enemy combatants’, the gradual eradication of the middle class, the introduction of religion into politics, etc.). i could go on forever ( i forgot to mention the unconscionable tax breaks for the wealthiest americans) but i don’t want to upset the right wingers who continue to drink the kool aid.</p>

[lealdragon]

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Bush just won’t listen. He wants to be a dictator, not a president.

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<p>Frodo failed. Bush has the ring!</p>

[poetsheart]

<p>And there are no Kool-aid drinkers on the left?</p>

[mini]

<p>“You have to take into account that failure of intelligence when you look at Saddam’s game of chicken with the UN inspectors that continued off and on throughout the 1990s.”</p>

<p>I considered the context. A million dead - half of them children, no generals rebelled. U.N. inspectors in the country. Genocide fails, Saddam Hussein says “enough of this: why am I going to cooperate fully with UN inspectors when Bill Clinton’s aim is simply to get rid of me while killing our people?” But UN inspectors stay. Saddam Hussein never banishes UNSCOM from the country: Bill Clinton does force them to leave, specifically, on December 15th, 1998. A day later he unleashes the largest bombing mission against any country since Viet Nam, hoping that he can get lucky. Fails again. Saddam Hussein says, “and now you expect me to invite them back? Yeah, right.” </p>

<p>Saddam Hussein does, however, expel U.S. inspectors (not U.N. inspectors) because of CIA attempts to infiltrate the inspection team. Scott Ritter, who was on the team, and highly critical of Saddam Hussein, confirms that this is in fact the case - that Bill Clinton was indeed trying to use the UNSCOM as a CIA front.</p>

<p>Neither Clinton nor Tenet had a single piece of evidence when they hoodwinked the very intelligent and senior Democrats Levin, Biden, Lieberman et al. to claim that they knew, beyond any doubt that not only did Saddam Hussein have WMD, but he had delivery systems, and there was an imminent threat to the U.S. To this day, not a single piece of evidence has been produced by either Clinton or Tenet that this was true.</p>

<p>Biden, Lieberman, Waxman, etc. cannot be blamed for believing the Bush claims regarding WMD, imminent threat, etc., having already bought into the Clinton/Tenet lies hook, line, and sinker.</p>