Most LGBT Friendly UC?

<p>bclintonk,</p>

<p>If many of the ones “among those whose education level is high school or less” are actually high school students, then that 46% may be significantly inflated. </p>

<p>While I agree religion plays a huge role for those who are truly religious, only small fraction of the population are really religious. Once you carve out the evangelicals and self-proclaimed atheists that comprise a small fraction of the population, it’s dificult to tell the rest, regardless of how they label themselves partly because they label themselves loosely. When I was liviing in So Cal, I didn’t even know a single person that regularly went to Church yet many people said they believe in God, whatever that means.</p>

<p>In the US, 3/4 of the population identify themselves as “Christians”; that’s not counting the ones that are Muslims, Buddists, etc. It’s therefore difficult to define how religion is an important factor when 80% of the people are affiliated with some form of religion.</p>

<p>Using your numbers, 53% of Californians favor same-sex marriage yet 56% of “mainline Protestants” favor. I honestly don’t know what “mainline Protestants” mean exactly. I highly doubt religion plays much role in their view. As a former evangelical that no longer goes to church regularly, I probably call myself “mainline Protestant” too.</p>

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<p>Well, that’s a fair point. I didn’t do the survey, so I don’t know, but typically when pollsters do surveys on these kinds of public policy questions, they’ll only poll people of voting age, which excludes most HS students. I think that’s probably the case here because they broke the age demographics down into just 3 groups, 18-34, 35-49, and 50+. Of course, some HS students are 18, a few even 19, but California has such a large population of post-HS age people with a HS education or less that the 18- and 19-year-old high schoolers would be a pretty small fraction of the sample. </p>

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<p>Again, it’s not my survey and not my term, but “mainline Protestants” is a widely used term in religious circles, used mainly by Protestant churches that want to distinguish themselves from the more politically and socially conservative “evangelical” Protestants. So it’s people like the UCC (Congregationalists), Unitarians, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, ELCA Lutherans (descended from the establishment Lutheran churches in Germany and the Nordic countries, but not Missouri Synod or Wisconsin Synod Lutherans who consider themselves evangelicals), United Methodists, American Baptists (descended from the anti-slavery Northern Baptists of the Civil War era, but not the Southern Baptists who consider themselves evangelicals), and Disciples of Christ, among others. Many (all?) of these denominations work together through ecumenical organizations like the National Council of Churches (which the more conservative evangelical denominations abhor), and they have a common history of working in various ways on social justice and social reform issues, which they derive directly from their theology. That theology differs from denomination to denomination, but shares a common thread of “the social gospel.” Some trace their social activism to the abolitionist movement, others (like the United Methodists) to temperance movements which really saw themselves first and foremost as a movement to better the lives of the urban poor and working class; others to the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s. Most were pretty strongly anti-war in the Vietnam era, and have remained so since. All have struggled internally with the ordination of women (now broadly accepted), and more recently with the ordination of gay and lesbian clergy (increasingly accepted), and even more recently, whether to give church recognition to same-sex unions, whether marriages or civil unions or simple church-recognized commitment ceremonies without any formal legal sanction, which many of these denominations now embrace, and others are still struggling with I think it’s just a mistake to suggest the views of members of these denominations on same-sex marriage have nothing to do with their religion. Quite the contrary; issues like ordination of gay and lesbian clergy and religious recognition of same-sex unions are compelling theological issues that these churches have been struggling with, and sometimes hotly and angrily debating, but their positions are evolving quite rapidly toward full acceptance of equality on the basis of gender orientation. And those theological debates are also contributing to an evolution in the views of millions of people who strongly identify with one of these denominations, just as the rapidly evolving views of individual congregants are influencing the churches themselves.</p>

<p>No doubt it’s true that many people only loosely identify with one of these churches, just as millions of lapsed Catholics would still self-identify as Catholic even if they no longer attend Mass. But I wouldn’t underestimate the role these churches play in the lives of millions of others, and the degree to which their moral teaching still has resonance for many, shall we say, infrequent attenders.</p>

<p>Here in Minnesota during recent battles over same sex marriage, the voices of leaders of mainstream Protestant denominations in favor of marriage equality were a very important counterweight to the voices of the Catholic bishops and conservative evangelical ministers. Religion played a huge role, on both sides.</p>

<p>To add to bclintonk’s remarks, specifically about Baptists in the South:</p>

<p>There are many formerly Southern Baptist churches that are still just as Baptist and just as Southern but have withdrawn from the Southern Baptist Convention in the past twenty years because of the Convention’s fundamentalist stances. Some have affiliated with American Baptists; most have not. If a label were to be assigned to them, it would more accurately be mainstream than evangelical. (Although that brings up another issue, which is that a lot of churches that are mainstream in their theology may call themselves evangelical in the “small e” sense.) These churches are generally ecumenically- and interfaith-minded. A number of these churches are “open and affirming” (i.e. welcome gay people into the full life of the congregation, including marriage ceremonies). If I were to drive within an 50-mile radius of my home in North Carolina, I could find at least 60 churches that are “open and affirming”. Of these, probably 10-12 would be Baptist.</p>

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<p>I see that in North Carolina as well. Because there is not a large Catholic presence here, the voices are mainly the mainstream Protestants (including many Baptists) versus the evangelical Protestants (also including many Baptists). On this issue the mainstream Protestant voices are gaining ground quickly, and they are coupled with the younger generation’s increased acceptance of same-sex relationships. In 10-15 years this issue will be settled. (I used to say 20 years, but things are turning around more quickly than I thought they would.)</p>

<p>bclintonk and Marsian,</p>

<p>Thanks for the insightful comments.</p>

<p>In any event, in the last three years public opinion has shifted away from support of Prop 8 and towards LGBT rights. The center of this shift is coming from places like the UC campuses, which tend to be more liberal and LGBT friendly. I won’t comment on the education/liberalism correlation, but the UCs do swing liberal and for LGBT rights.</p>