<p>Is it considered a problem if someone omits jobs that last 3-6 months on the resume? Since showing such job positions distracts from the message of the resume, I would think it’d be okay to omit such a job if it does not add value to the resume.
I had a job that lasted 3-4 months in the past, and I omitted it in my resume without any problems. But I just wanted to know what high-tech community thinks about this issue in general.</p>
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It depends on the industry and employer. Most places acknowledge that a resume is inherently incomplete, and do not expect absolute fidelity provided you DO provide it on the formal application. Omitting a job on both can be seen as dishonest, and possibly a cause of termination if discovered. In some industries (like my own), they WILL find out, and lying is a quick way out the door.</p>
<p>global, college engineering graduate making 80k right away is a little extreme no?</p>
<p>This is why more people need training in economic thought. No one seems to ever consider the opportunity cost. Time, family, friends, love, novelty, etc… all have value that contributes to a human being’s satisfaction. Staring at excel for 14 hours straight 7 days a week in hopes of being one of the lucky ones who gets to move on to PE so you can spend all day looking over financial reports, doing valuation’s, sitting in meetings looking at a PPT presentation, watching CNBC, and reading over annual reports, all the while giving up all of the other awesome things life has to offer, does not sound like a life I would want to live.</p>
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<p>It’s not that far fetched for some engineering majors. But I suspect he’s adding the signing bonus to the first year’s salary.</p>
<p>What technical people are actually impressed by Apple? They are the sort of name, like Microsoft, that impresses the layman but makes many-a-nerd’s eyes roll. I think of them as the Starbucks of the computing world. People criticize MS for always copying Apple, but Apple copied all of their ideas too, from the PC to the GUI to the ipod. My first few computers were Apples, but I think they are a really overrated company.</p>
<p>If a person were hired by Google as a mathematician/computer scientist, I’d be impressed.</p>
<p>I’d be impressed by anybody who was an EE/CompE for Intel, Nvidia, AMD/ATI/ArtX, MIPS, IBM, Sony, Toshiba, Canon, Nikon, Foveon/Sigma, and others. I would have been <em>really</em> impressed back in the 90s by anybody who worked for SGI or the DEC Alpha team, and pretty darn impressed by anybody working for PowerVR, 3dFX, or 3DLabs.</p>
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<p>Actually, the more relevant question is, how many engineering students (or prospective engineering students) here on college confidential are at top 10 schools? Like I said before, the readership of this board skews high. After all, I doubt that there are many mediocre high school students who camp out on this discussion board. I don’t think there are many engineering students from Idaho State who are reading this thread. </p>
<p>Hence, I would argue that any discussion of top 10 schools is highly relevant to a great proportion of the actual readership of this site. But that also means that alternative ‘elite’ careers such as consulting and banking are also highly relevant topics to them.</p>
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<p>Well, you’re assuming that the top schools actually do cost more, when in fact, it has become well understood that, depending on your financial condition, many of the top schools, especially the private schools, often times actually cost less than would an average school. That’s right - less. </p>
<p>*Harvard had just announced a range of new financial-aid policies aimed at easing the strain on middle- and upper-middle-income families like hers. The bottom line for D’Amico’s parents: their expected contribution would plunge from a little more than $30,000 per year to about $13,000. It was, she says, “sort of, ‘Wow, Harvard now costs less for me than the University of Maine’,” where she had originally thought of going, largely for financial reasons. Until then, the D’Amicos felt as if they were in a “financial-aid black hole,” as she puts it—neither poor enough to qualify for free tuition nor rich enough to easily afford an Ivy League education. (The D’Amicos’ family income is a little more than $90,000.) Now “it’s almost like Harvard is rewarding you for doing hard work.”</p>
<p>…Other rich universities quickly responded. Yale announced cost reductions for families earning as much as $200,000, and Stanford eliminated tuition for parents earning up to $100,000. A cavalcade of institutions declared they were fully or partially replacing loans with grants, including Ivies like Dartmouth and Columbia…</p>
<p>…Harvard was trying to compete more aggressively with the flagship U.S. public schools. Indeed, for families in some income classes, Harvard is now the cheaper option…"</p>
<p>[The</a> Revolution in College Financial Aid - Newsweek](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/2008/08/08/harvard-hits-the-rich-poor-gap.html]The”>The Revolution in College Financial Aid)</p>
<p>I do agree with you that ROI may indeed be a factor. But what that entails is that many students at the top schools may be paying less than they would at an average school, and still be making far more through a job in finance, hence entirely blowing out the ROI calculation.</p>
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<p>Well, given that a highly disproportionate percentage of the technocognoscenti prefer Apple products, it seems that quite a few of them are impressed by the company. Otherwise, why would they continue to buy their products? </p>
<p>More specifically, I have heard from a number of developers that they consider the best open-source laptop to be the Macbook Pro, a sentiment that has also been expressed enthusiastically on numerous open source user groups. The vast majority of open-source software applications can be easily recompiled to run on it. Perhaps more importantly, one cannot deny the notable success of the Iphone/Ipad and the accompanying App Store as a new market for consumer-driven applications. Rovio Mobile, the startup that wrote Angry Birds, just took $40 million in VC funding last week. If you want to participate in that space, you have to know how Apple products work. </p>
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<p>3dfx failed, as did MIPS. Sony, Toshiba, and other Japanese firms haven’t exactly been blazing their way to glory lately. </p>
<p>Presumably, if you join the private sector, you would like to do so with a company that succeeds, not one that fails, for at least by doing so, you have the chance of sharing in the success. You might argue that Microsoft engineers do not produce technically impressive products, but the thousands of Microsoft engineering stock-option millionaires are laughing all the way to the bank.</p>
<p>If you want to talk about those who can truly impress you from a pure technical standpoint, then perhaps you should talk about those engineers who can win tenure at places like MIT or Stanford, where you can be judged purely on your academic merits. To join the private sector is to hope that you actually work on a project that succeeds commercially.</p>
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<p>It seems to me that that exact same argument could be used to dissuade people from majoring in engineering in the first place, and indeed, other posters on this site have done exactly that. Let’s face it - at any university, engineering is arguably the most difficult and time-consuming major you could choose, particularly when you’re hacking your way through the weeders. One could argue that there is far more to life than constantly hacking through endless problem sets and labs while perennially stressing over whether you’ll even manage to graduate at all, while your colleagues who are majoring in (sometimes literally) in Leisure Studies or Film Studies are having a Animal-House-esque time of their life. </p>
<p>*… many of those who move out of engineering have the talent to excel. In conversations with them, I have heard a common story about seeing people in dorms partying away and wondering, “Why not me?”</p>
<p>That’s what I mean by unnecessary (and harmful) attrition. I don’t believe that the sciences and engineering should demand less of their students. Rather, the social sciences and humanities need to demand more…* </p>
<p>[Grade</a> Inflation: Your Questions Answered - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/grade-inflation-your-questions-answered/]Grade”>Grade Inflation: Your Questions Answered - The New York Times)</p>
<p>Let’s be perfectly honest. As an engineering student, you’ve basically already signed up for 4-5 years of hell. If you can take that, what’s another 2 more years as an investment banking serf?</p>
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<p>But getting into IB is just not only doing 4-5 years and 2 years as a IB serf. It’s 4-5 years at a target school WITH the grades WITH the activities WITH the networking and it some cases WITH the family background. So, there are a few “WITH’s” to go along with the 4-5 years of hell…and let’s be honest, you and I know that IB/Hedge (and similar) has a lot of non-academic and political factors.</p>
<p>I am not here to dissuade engineering majors from IB. I do want to point out that it is almost like having dreams of playing in the NFL or NBA or MLB, so students need to be aware.</p>
<p>It’s like other threads where you see folks at Top schools thinking that they are going to manage/lead software teams right out of school, etc. Noooooo…you will sit at your cube until your manager from Idaho State Univ. gives you some software to TEST. He/She will let you know when you can design.</p>
<p>Best that the high-achieving student knows this ahead of time.</p>
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<p>Immotion, I am an Investment Banker and have many friends/business associates in the areas of High Finance/Investment Banking, PE, VC, Hedge Funds, LBO’'s etc etc - and most thoroughly enjoy it.</p>
<p>I just looked at your profile and you have posted on this forum about every 5 minutes for the past week. What kind of investment banker has that kind of time?</p>
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<p>But the presumption is that they already have those factors, for, like I said, the cc readership skews high. I agree with you that the average student at the average has but a miniscule chance of ever landing a job in investment banking, but that same average student isn’t likely to be here. Not too many engineering students from Idaho State are on this forum. Nor are there even many engineering students at MIT but who are flunking out. If you are here on this forum, you are likely to be doing very well for yourself.</p>
<p>Nor do I find the networking and extracurricular requirements to be particularly burdensome for those types of students - indeed, it would be nearly impossible to stop such students from contributing to those activities. Let’s be perfectly honest - engineering coursework for the most part is quite tedious. It is far better not only in terms of exit opportunities to enter investment banking, but also from a general quality of life standpoint, to earn a 3.2 while participating in networking and activities rather than do nothing but grind your way to a 4.0. Like I said before, as long as you are attending a top school and don’t have abysmal grades, investment banks don’t really care that much about your grades.</p>
<p><strong><em>To spark some humor into CC</em></strong></p>
<p>Where do the girlfriend(s) come into play?</p>
<p>What about the knee-crawling night drinking and partying on campus?</p>
<p>After college, what about the one week trip to Brazil for the Carnival?</p>
<p>Ya gotta have that!</p>
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<p>I think the people that would find being in IB the same kind of hell as an engineering education never planned on going into engineering itself.</p>
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<p>And yet the inescapable fact is that, whether we like it or not, a substantial number of MIT engineering graduates take jobs not in engineering, but in finance. What’s more hellish - a job in finance or trying to survive an engineering major at MIT? I have a suspicion that the answer might actually be the latter.</p>
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<p>See, that’s the whole thing. You obviously believe the latter, I believe the former.</p>
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<p>ha!..I see that people are funny in this thread</p>
<p>very funny</p>