@Cue7 I don’t know how you can possibly read my post at #14 as saying that there has been no change in what you call the “surface” aspects of student life. Who would deny all the many changes? Whether those changes - and their continuing trajectory and extent - could in the end undermine the ethos that we both agree has always existed and continues to exist is another matter. I take from this and other posts of yours that you want to see the changes continue and go much further, with an endpoint at which the college experience at Chicago will have become something like that at H, Y, P or S. Your only concern is that the University may not have the resources to bring this off. Do I have that right? If so, do you see such a transformed College as still possessing the aforementioned ethos of the past and present College? Is that ethos something you actually care to maintain? --These are not meant as rhetorical questions.