If I were rich, super rich, my school contribution portfolio would be something like this:
50% for UCB (Golden Bears need $$ badly for a cutting-edge Data Center and program);
30% for Stanford (Cardinal keeps campus expansion);
20% for Columbia (No clue how Lions do with $$).
@UCBUSCalum As a current Haas Graduate Student I agree. The student culture between UG and MBA is very different. The kiddos (UG’s) are competing for grades and we have non-grade disclosure. It encourages more collaboration between MBA’s, also by this stage we are more interested in recruiting and for many of us this is a terminal degree… grades dont matter (C’s get degrees )
@CalCUStanford : I personally feel the Trojan Family connection is overblown. Because of my credentials (which include a CPA license and Big 4 experience), I have a well paid job and a responsible position with a large Fortune 200 company. I never had a boss from USC or never been hired because of USC connections. I’ve also done well investing on my own and I am able have the financial means to support my kids for college without any USC connections. My 2 youngest both did not get into the top tier UC’s (UCB or UCLA which would be a no brainer to attend due relatively low CA in state UC college costs). They did get into the other UC’s. Instead of attending a UC, one decided to attend UW-Seattle (he now works at a Big 4 firm and just received his CPA license) and the other chose USC with no scholarships despite having top grades and recently being accepted to Phi Beta Kappa. Both schools cost more (out of state/private college) than the in state UC schools. The point is without the connections, I was able to land a good job (based on merits, not connections) which provided me the means to save for a house, pay for the kids expensive college costs, and save for retirement. This has no impact on preparation toward retirement since I am fine there and my house is paid off.
Regarding USC connections, I believe the ones who were active in fraternities and sororities, were able to establish long life relationships and the “Trojan” connections may have helped. I was not in any Greek activities nor my circle of friends. My circle of friends are doing well in Honolulu, LA and the DC areas, all without the connections. Two of my Honolulu friends (former Big 4 CPA’s) are CFO’s for high profile Hawaiian companies. They are able to finance their kids through out of state colleges, including private colleges in the mainland US. My UW son was in a fraternity, but that connection did not play a factor in him landing a job with a Big 4 (high grades and interpersonal skills were more important). Even my USC son was not able to get any scholarships despite myself being an alum. He plans to attend a law school which I will fund.
I believe there are a lot of USC or UCB school spirit out there. When I am wearing Cal gears, people would comment "go Bears’ or when wearing USC gears, people would comment “go SC” or “fight on” or give me the victory sign :).
@CalCUStanford : In addition to other organizations and colleges (like UW) I actual contribute a much higher amount equally between UC Berkeley and USC. The reason is I am grateful for the degrees that help me get into the career I have and I feel should give back to society (was taught that in business school). For UCB, I contribute to the Library Fund, Scholarship Funds, General Funds and Haas. For I USC, I also spread it among the Library Fund, Leventhal Accounting School and Marshall (wife is an alum) and Scholarship Funds. With UW, I am also grateful that my son graduated from with a well respected degree from the business school. I donate to the Foster School, Library Fund and Scholarship Funds, but much less than UCB or USC. My Company’s school matching program also helps.
@Dagoberto : I think for certain types of jobs, top grades matters even with the Haas MBA. I think these jobs would be in investment banking (i.e., with Goldman Sachs, etc.) or consulting (i.e., McKinsey, etc.).
“I think for certain types of jobs, top grades matters even” without the Haas MBA. I can echo that - had failed the last round of interviews for M and declined the back office (operations & tech) interviews for G. And it’s especially the case for “quant” type of positions on Wall Street. Yes, GPA is important here for landing interviews like these while at school.
When @Cal, I never had a chance to set foot in the Haas surrounding. I think it’s located somewhere around the campus corner? I did check several videos at YouTube and found the mini-campus of three connected Pristine design buildings set around a central courtyard was truly unique from the rest of the campus. Yeah, much better than Evans! ><
Haas is located near the Northeast corner of the campus close to the School of Optometry. Haas is almost like a mini campus within the larger campus. It has a very nice courtyard.
Except for the I-House and football stadium, I never had a chance to visit there (i.e., Haas, Optometry, Law, etc). I also missed the opportunity to visit Lawrence Hall of Science, Berkeley Art Museum, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, MSRI, and many other places that I’ve just found from the i-campus map. What a pity!
BTW, I don’t know why Berkeley Haas is not included in the M-7 list. Correct me if I’m wrong for the M-7 and specialty:
*Harvard (known for general management and case study method);
*Penn Wharton (finance) and general management);
*Stanford (technology entrepreneurship);
*MIT Sloan (operations and quantitative methods);
*Northwestern Kellog (marketing)
*Columbia (finance and international business}
*Chicago Booth (non-profit and public policy?)
*Berkeley Haas (technology IP and innovation?)
The Haas MBA enrollment size, I believe, is the smallest among top 10 schools and I did not know until now, that Haas is actually the 2nd oldest business school in the US.
*School administrative bureaucracy: C > B > S (note: less means better)
People might be surprised to learn that B’s actually less bureaucratically run than C in administrative works. All my Cal friends who also had attended C for graduate degrees shared the same sentiments. By comparison, S was the best of the three.
S = Stanford;
B = Berkeley;
C = Columbia
Many people complain about “you are just being a number if you attend a large public university.” But I want to say this, if you’re any of transcendental numbers such as pi, exponential, Euler’s constant, Hilbert’s number, etc or any famous physical/chemical constant such as speed of light, universal gravitational constant, Planck/Bohr/Hubble constant, Avogadro’s number, etc, you don’t really need to be worried about you’re just being a number, you are in fact, grateful to be that number which is highly recognized by every professor.
Well, may be not every social science/business professor…
Update for:
*Campus Vibe, Architectures & Environment: S > B > > C
Campus size does matter!
Large campus size ==> relaxing and peaceful;
Small campus size ==> anxious and tense.
Note:
S: 8180 acres with total enrollment of **17,381/b;
B: 178 acres (central campus) with total enrollment of **42,501/b;
C: 36 acres (Morningside campus) with total enrollment of **26,338/b.
Congratulation to professors @UC Berkeley(Physics and Chemistry) and Stanford(Economics) for winning this year color=blue Nobel Prizes[/color]! This echoes the thought in the beginning for academic reputation comparison back in 6/10/2020 (Post#1).
UC Berkeley:
*Reinhard Genzel (Physics)
*Jennifer A. Doudna (Chemistry)
Note: J. Doudna is the professor @Department of Molecular and Cell
Biology and Department of Chemistry.
Stanford U:
*Paul R. Milgrom (Economics)
*Robert B. Wilson (Economics)
Note: Both Milgrom and Wilson are GSB professors.