A little humility goes a long way. Not sure you get it.
You don’t just get to score well and bingo!, an admit. You still need to understand whst your targets look for. Any progress in that or you want to drag your feet? You have work to do.
@lookingforward You are really focused on my humility, huh? I tried to clear that up for you by dispelling the idea that I am the cocky jerk you’ve made me out to be. I am not sure what else I must do to appease you. Your point is excellent and your position is realistic, but I could certainly do without the unceasing antagonism.
If you understand what colleges look for, they include a reasonable self awareness, some perspective. You’re describing not fully participating in your education and work a 10 year old could do. Not to menton, “feeling at home with the best in the world.” Just think about it. National competitions don’t trump. They look for the right attitude in what you present in the app and supps, the right sorts of consistent efforts. It’s high stakes.
@lookingforward Fair. But I don’t claim to be a perfect applicant. In fact, I am quite atypical because I’ve never done anything “to get into college”. I act on my dreams, my passions and what I think will be best for the world. And that’s OK, I hope. I’m not going to change myself for an adcom. If they don’t have the skills by now to discern the rare genuine achiever from the standard high-pressure, formulaic (or by-the-book, I should say) achiever, then that’s too bad. Ironically, my application may inadvertently be strengthened if they do realize I fall into the former category.
You’re right, though. Jerking around in class and not being a perfect student doesn’t represent some enlightened act of genius. Taken by itself, it is not a behavior that magically elevates me to another level of applicancy. It is simply a side effect of who I am. At some level, I’m just having fun and making my classes more of a cerebral challenge as opposed to a rote one. It’s fun stuff!
“ If they don’t have the skills by now to discern the rare genuine achiever from the standard high-pressure, formulaic (or by-the-book, I should say) achiever, then that’s too bad. “
@eatsleepmath I don’t think you are getting what a few posters are trying to point out. You are obviously a great student with first-rate ECs and a stellar SAT score. The issue is how you come across in writing to people who don’t know you personally. You imply you should have great LOCs, so maybe you are a super nice guy without a touch of arrogance in person…but the issue is, it will be your writing - your essays - the admissions folks will see (apart from the LOCs) when they try to get a sense of who you are personally. [That and the interview, though I am not sure how much weight, if any, the interview has in admissions.].
Throughout this thread, you’ve made statements like the one I quoted above, that come across as arrogant, at least to me and to several others…which means an admissions officer might see it that way as well. We are trying to be helpful - if you come across as arrogant in your essays, then it will not matter how great you are in all other areas. If the admissions person who reads your app does not like you (based on whatever personality traits are relayed through your essay), then you will not be admitted.
No one - no one at all - has such amazing stats that an admissions committee at HYP will forgive an essay that comes across as arrogant.
Again, I believe people are trying to be helpful here. I understand you are probably a wonderful person and a brilliant scholar, etc. - but do be aware of how you come across in writing to people who do not know you. That kind of thing matters very much in college admissions.
Indeed, @TheMoreYouKow . I feel honored that I, a mere mortal, have been privy to the illustrious achievements of OP. I am looking forward to an update from OP in April. Or maybe even sooner.
For other students who may be reading this, remember that humility is just as important as pride. And there’s a fine line between pride and ego.
Back to the “no-study” SAT score - The only reason for a well-prepared student to study specifically for the SAT is to become familiar with the format of the test. For example, are you penalized for a wrong answer, etc.
The real preparation for the SAT is a lifetime of learning. Extensive reading is highly correlated with high SAT scores.
“If they don’t have the skills by now to discern the rare genuine achiever from the standard high-pressure, formulaic (or by-the-book, I should say) achiever, then that’s too bad."
“No one - no one at all - has such amazing stats that an admissions committee at HYP will forgive an essay that comes across as arrogant.”
Too late now but I suspect OP would have been much better off applying to Oxbridge where “genuine” talent is absolutely recognized and sought after in the interview, while the application essay and GPA are essentially irrelevant. I know someone whose son was admitted with no formal high school qualifications at all (his parents left him to study math on his own after seventh grade), he just scored one of the top marks on the entrance exam. Indeed my college is happy to indicate that IMO qualifiers are essentially an automatic admit.
Although everyone assumes that Brits prefer to be understated, the corollary is that Americans are presumed to be a bit arrogant and boastful, they just need to be teachable. And it’s more respected by your peers if you can pull off an easy first without much effort than it is if you have to work hard for a top grade (viz the comparisons of Boris Johnson and David Cameron). So I’m quite happy to admit at college reunions that I was a relatively lazy student and spent too much time rowing (especially during my PhD). I suspect that is not something that would go down well at top US institutions, where (from what I’m told) you are supposed to reminisce about how challenging the fire hose of information was.
Amusingly enough I remember the head of college telling us students about Bertrand Russell’s anecdote in his autobiography that he spent his first year in Cambridge trying to find those undergraduates whom he had been assured were the smartest people in the world, before realizing in his second year that he and his friends were them. And he always liked to claim (not quite correctly) that our college had more Nobel Prizes than France because he had won one of them. So I guess even Brits are allowed to have an intellectual superiority complex sometimes.
@eatsleepmath Curious as to what type of high school you go to. Is it considered rigorous or competitive? Because the way you describe it by saying a big portion of your grade is determined by busy work that a 10 yr old could complete, makes it seems like you attend a not so rigorous school where grade inflation is rampant. That means your application will be viewed with a different lens. Colleges can’t hold the high school against the applicant, but they are also very aware that not all ‘A’s’ are the same.
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I’m not sure why the OP felt the need to bump a thread that has been dormant for months, but at this point, the conversation is going around in circles with little hope of anything new to add. Closing.