<p>Well, I think data from peer schools would be interesting. But there is a belief, which seems valid to me from all that I have read and heard, that colleges get to “know” a number of high schools. To me, this means that there is inherent value in seeing how kids from your particular school have fared. Whether your school is “known” to a college or not, the results from your own school give you a lot more to go on than the results from even the school down the road. The best of both worlds would probably be great, goaliedad - ie, a scattergram for your school and a scattergram for your coterie of peer schools. But if I could only have one, setting aside privacy concerns and focusing on valuable information for projecting my kid’s chances, I’d want the data for my school only.</p>
<p>One thing you do have to be careful about when looking at “comparable” school district Naviance data is that the GPA is calculated the same way in each district. I was interested to see Naviance data from a HS in our old area, and both schools even graded on the same 5.0 scale. However, I realized that there is one major difference and that is that one district only counts the major subjects in the GPA whereas the other school district counts all the elective subjects too, yet does not weight these. So a 4.5 GPA was the best that you can do at one school whereas the other had a kid with a 5.0. </p>
<p>When comparing your school to another just make sure you are comparing apples to apples.</p>
<p>I did mention that standardization of GPA difficulty briefly and that is probably the fly in the ointment. </p>
<p>Of course the colleges probably have a methodology to standardize these GPAs based upon the writeup that schools give them regarding their grading policies. Let’s face it, how else would they be able to compare students from different schools.</p>
<p>I think the more important improvement is the idea of a shaded area based upon the data points in the scattergram showing plus/minus 1 and 2 standard deviations from the averages for the score and GPA. It kinda makes a target area that you can plot your own statistics against without divulging specific scores.</p>
<p>Of course the shaded area concept requires a bit more knowledge of statistics, which many of the kids haven’t had yet. A learning exercise!</p>
<p>Most colleges now forget about the gpa and look at the base grade in the class. They understand that two different schools two students can both get a 90 in the same subject, but one of them goes to a school where the 90 becomes a 4.0, and then is converted to a 4.5 in the case of an honors class, or a 5.0 in the case of an AP course, while a student at another high school how similarly received a 90, could find that they receive a weighted 95 in the case of an honors couse or 100 in the case of an AP, both of which are under a 4.0. They understand that there could be two students from two different schools, one of whom graduates with a weighted 98 and one of whom graduates with a weighted grade point average over 5.0, but the student with the 98 could have peformed better in all of their classes.
With this in mind the colleges look to see the base grade in the class. They want to know if the student took the most rigiorous curriculum and what was the unweighted grade they received. They can get an idea from the school for example what the unweighted grade means. ie. how that student did versus other students who took the same courses at their school</p>
<p>Our school started using Naviance the year my #2 graduated. His own fine admissions results were, therefore, completely exposed to the crowd. As a result, evidently, a substantial portion of the following class started off the year with unrealistic expectations of where their GPA would take them. My son’s GPA had been very significantly and repeatedly impacted by his taking very high level 3rd language courses…so-- colleges looking at the ‘whole picture’ saw one kid while rising juniors and seniors saw only 2 numbers (his SAT’s and his overall GPA). My guess is that when any of the colleges re-calculated his GPA they tossed out these grades as the anomalies they were…But, those looking at Naviance couldn’t have known.</p>
<p>Everyone looking at these numbers MUST be aware of the significance of small sample sizes in using them in a predictive sense. For us, as our school did not provide this data in advance, we looked at data of ‘comparable’ schools with much more data (5 years?) and made ‘guesstimates’…</p>
<p>I first heard of it and looked at the data for one school based on a recent CC posting- it was interesting to realize how many schools are out there, especially on the east coast. With so many similar choices it must be difficult to sort things out and guess where the best chances of acceptance are, even to the point of being overwhelming. My sympathies, no wonder some parents become so obsessed with the college admissions process. It was also interesting to note that most students applied close to home- you could picture a map with data points and zero in on the HS’s location based on the density.</p>
<p>I wanted to resurrect this thread. A year or 2 back, people posted their school’s guest access accounts to Naviance. As our school doesnt let us access Naviance (grrr) I wondered if people would be kind enough to post updated school guest passwords to access Naviance. Thanks!</p>
<p>Just found this thread – our school has Naviance with six years’ of data. If there are fewer than a given number of students who applied to a school (and that seems to be 6-8), then a message pops up saying that info is not shown to protect confidentiality. Don’t know if this is an option that has to be turned off by the guidance office, but it does offer some privacy. Unfortunately, this means that a lot of the new 2400 SAT admissions results aren’t available yet, as there are too few kids to post.</p>
<p>I like the scattergrams, but with six years of data (not distinguished by year), it’s hard to tell how kids are faring currently vs. in previous years.</p>
<p>countingdown-
Does your school have a guest password?</p>
<p>Not my school, but here’s one:</p>
<p><a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...hsid=hopkinton[/url]”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...hsid=hopkinton</a></p>
<p>password: hillers</p>
<p>and here’s another</p>
<p><a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...p?hsid=kinkaid[/url]”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...p?hsid=kinkaid</a></p>
<p>Enter as a guest - password “college”</p>
<p>(Kinkaid School (competitive private school) in Houston, TX)</p>
<p>and another</p>
<p><a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s…?hsid=newtrier%5B/url%5D”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s…?hsid=newtrier</a></p>
<p>New Trier High School in IL, competitive public HS.</p>
<p>chocoholic, I was not able to get any of those links to work.</p>
<p>That is really weird, because I tested ALL of them before posting, and they all worked :(</p>
<p>Try them from the original postings?</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=115922&highlight=tcci[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=115922&highlight=tcci</a></p>
<p>Naviance Thread Link
Heres a link to postings of High Schools originally posted by Carolyn & Rebecca: <a href=“http://www.collegeconfidential.com/c...ow.cgi?5/77924[/url]”>http://www.collegeconfidential.com/c...ow.cgi?5/77924</a></p>
<p>And the list reposted below:</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=weston[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=weston</a> password: weston</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=mullen[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=mullen</a> password: mustangs</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=smistokyo[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=smistokyo</a> password: Titan</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=episcopal[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=episcopal</a> no password required</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=natick[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=natick</a> password: NHS</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=ciba[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=ciba</a> no password required</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=walsingham[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=walsingham</a> password: gotrojans</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=hcrhs[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=hcrhs</a> no password required</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=mondon[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=mondon</a> password: GRIFFINS</p>
<p><a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...albany-academy[/url]”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...albany-academy</a> password: cadets</p>
<p><a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...edbankcatholic[/url]”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...edbankcatholic</a> password: CASEYS</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=cistercian[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=cistercian</a> password: admitone</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=bcc[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=bcc</a> password: barons</p>
<p><a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=gbn[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=gbn</a> no password required</p>
<p><a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...entralcatholic[/url]”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...entralcatholic</a> no password required</p>
<p>Other CC Tcci Naviance Threads That lists a couple of other HS Links:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...ght=navi[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...ght=navi</a> ance
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...light=naviance[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...light=naviance</a></p>
<p>Ithaca HS has detailed stats of their student’s College Application Outcomes:
<a href=“Home | Ithaca City School District”>Home | Ithaca City School District;
<a href=“Home | Ithaca City School District”>Home | Ithaca City School District;
<p>jym626, I tried to PM you, but your mailbox is full!</p>
<p>chocoholic, I wonder why the first few did not work for me. Well, thanks.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up, countingdown!</p>
<p>I have a question about the amount of data schools can have available via naviance. our school only gives out passwords midway through the Junior year when the college planning officially starts. I’ve looked at their area on naviance via the guest login and there is no scattergram section. Does this mean that the school doesn’t provide that, or does it mean that some stuff can be available only to logged in users and not to guests. In the “from your school” section there is a document library with forms. Also, do the schools pay a certain amount based on the number of accounts they have, or do you think they are limiting access just to keep underclassmen away from the college search too early (they can be like that, which is why I am hesitant to ask them about it to be labeled a parent who is concerned too early)</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Our high school only got Naviance last year, but they inputted three years worth of data into it so it’s pretty anonymous. If they don’t have enough points they just don’t put up the graph. At first I thought you were out of luck, but it turns out if you do the college compare feature, you could get an average SAT and GPA for the kids who were accepted from our school and how many were accepted. For Carnegie Mellon only 9 kids applied and 5 were accepted with stats that were considerably lower than my son. (Caveat though, at CMU you apply to different schools so it’s less clear what the data means. They might have all been drama kids.) When the only two kids who were accepted at Stanford were solidly in the middle of the pack with both GPA and SAT scores, it made it pretty clear to me that kids from our school don’t get accepted without a hook. As indeed proved to be the case - no one got in this year.</p>