@musicprnt Oh good, it wasn’t just me then. Though I was just gonna say that it seems odd to use an insulation of gay/trans as an insult on this thread.
Agree that some virulently anti-gay folks seem to be fighting something within themselves. Ted Haggard and Larry “wide stance” Craig come to mind.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/politicians/2015/05/29/16-antigay-leaders-exposed-gay-or-bi
^^^ It also seems like an inordinate number of virulently anti-gay preachers/ministers also come out as gay or get caught in gay affairs.
Men’s rooms are usually pretty disgusting, but women’s rooms are not necessarily any better. One thing my wife commented on is that women will often squat over the toilet to pee (either not trusting the toilet seat covers or they weren’t there) to avoid touching the seat, and can leave a mess. I doubt many transgender women stand to urinate (outside porn magazines), given the nature of women’s clothing and undergarments, it tactically is difficult, plus it also would be kind of a giveaway to how they were configured down there, and also wouldn’t feel right:) (on the other hand, I knew women who delighted in something that allowed them to urinate standing up, go figure lol).
That’s absolutely true about some women not sitting on the seat, and missing, and then not cleaning up after themselves.
@LasMa Without going into too many details, guys sometimes do the same thing when they sit on the seat. They don’t always pay attention to where the water is going. You come in and are standing in a puddle.
I hope this law applies to people of all ages. When I was a child, I hated road trips as my mother would make me go to the bathroom with her. Nothing worse for a 6 year old boy. Had this law existed, I would have been spared numerous traumas.
Yes, that’s another good reason for single seat bathrooms. The young boy can go by himself without the risk that there will be pedophiles following him into the restroom.
@exlibris:
Be glad your mom did that, she was a smart woman, the therapist I worked with said she told all the parents to not let the kids go to the bathroom by themselves (talking public bathrooms obviously) and said the current cutoff of 6 or so was too young. In her long career as a therapist, and from what she routinely saw written up by other therapists, a lot of kids end up getting molested that way, yet I don’t hear the hooterin’ hollers worried about that.
@musicprnt I admit I am suspicious of claims of lots of young children being molested in bathrooms. Where are the statistics? The evidence? Lots of young kids get molested at home by the parents, siblings or uncles. I’m frankly more worried about that.
Watch the local news and you’ll find out. Just yesterday a woman was raped in a park in Orange County. Children have been molested at the public restrooms at the beach. Never let a child go in alone. Even adult women should avoid them if possible or go with a friend.
I never understood such arguments, yet posters use this framework all the time, as if it powerful or something. It is really only a deflection because it is possible to focus on more than one thing at a time. Addressing a particular issue does not have to come at the expense of another.
@exlibris97:
I don’t know the overall statistics, I am telling you what professionals who work with the victims of abuse say. I don’t doubt that the number of victims of abuse who are molested at home is larger, it probably is (all about access to abuse someone, lot easier with a child in your home or you have access to, especially since kids trust those they know), but it is a real problem, one that has been reported and so forth…and talking about kids abused in restrooms doesn’t take away from the very real issue of kids abused at home.
We have all seen real deflections, like supporters of the church when the whole abuse scandal started blowing up, we heard things like “look at how many kids are abused in schools and other public institutions”, as if to say that meant what happened in the church was no big deal (which of course, over time, was blown out the window, I don’t think there has been any case of instutional abuse that has approached the levels we have seen in the church), they were trying to deflect.
The real point people are making is that the legislature by passing this piece of dung are wasting time on something that statistically is a non issue (ie that there is zero statistics about transgender women being able to use the women’s room leads to sexual abuse by men using the law to gain access, it hasn’t happened, and other places have laws like that, NYC for one, with 20 million people a day living here or passing through it, and there have been zero cases), while there are real cases of abuse involving family members, kids being molested in bathrooms, that they would be better spent the time and effort finding a way to prevent and punish, rather than fighting a straw man.
Hey, now students in one NC school district can carry pepper spray to defend themselves from the scary transgender people.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article76827092.html
What could possibly go wrong?
So there is the possibility they would be scared by a transgender person when the NC law makes it mandatory that transgender persons use the bathroom of their gender at birth. So, for instance, that would mean they are scared of a transgender male who would be using the girls room because the law requires it.
Sounds like the law is having the exact opposite effect then. Who could have imagined that!?!?
^Now, emilybee, how are you going to know who those pervy god-hating trans people are if they don’t stand out? @-)
At some point you all night figure out that it is not transgender people that are of concern; it is people who pretend to be and have different motives that is the issue. Specifically, people who would have been stopped from entering and questioned before, but who will not be stopped now.
Or maybe you will not figure it out because the deflection away from the above scenario and the focus solely on transgenders is the easiest way to ignore that possibility and to simultaneously call people transphobic, when they are really criminal-phobic.
Except–that’s not what’s happening!
And meanwhile, where do you expect transgender people to pee? If transgender men use the women’s room, they’ll be arrested. If transgender women use the men’s room, they’re the ones at risk.
Should they never leave their homes?
How does this law prevent a male from entering a ladies room? Can you tell the difference between a transgender male and a non transgender male? Seems to me the law makes it easier for a male predator to enter a ladies room, not harder.
The law does the exact opposite of the phoney argument it is trying to sell and by making it illegal for transgender people to use the bathroom as they present is nothing but a smokescreen for discrimination.
This is quite funny what happened here. She did not expect this. Check out the remedy presented in the very last sentence - all she had to do was mouth one sentence ala the DOJ policy.
Seriously, you want this guy in the women’s room (as mandated by the NC law)???
http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2015/05/05/op-ed-5-reasons-mens-health-needs-trans-man-cover