Need advice for my specific case -- paying for sons college -- what to do/not to do?

UAH

  1. Not a southern school at all. The students are mostly children of the high-tech engineers that live in the area…and they’re transplants. If the kids were born in Alabama, it’s because their transplanted parents moved there before they were born.

  2. There are very good high schools in that area that feed into UAH… Bob Jones HS, Grissom HS, Pope John Paul II Catholic, the tech HS (Columbia?? can’t remember name off top of my head),

  3. scholarships are great

  4. Located within Cummings Research Park - 2nd largest research park in the nation. 4th largest in the world.

  5. HSV has the highest concentration of PhDs. The city’s nicknames are Rocket City and Geek City because of the heavy STEM influences.

  6. Safe city

  7. new dorms

  8. Senator Shelby directed fed money to UAH to build more STEM academic space. The STEM facilities are state of the art

  9. HSV int’l airport 10 minutes away, very convenient and EASY airport to use.

  10. Great weather, altho it can dip to the 20s a few days in the winter. Snow flurries are a couple times a year, accumulation is maybe twice every 5 years.

  11. very well kept school…clean…well-groomed…well maintained.

  12. UAH’s strong areas are: Eng’g, CS, Business, Nursing and the rest of STEM

  13. Eng’g is fully ABET accredited.

  14. ChemE job placement: 3M, NASA, Army, Merck, Chlorox, Genentech, duPont Kimberly Clark, BP, BASF, Champion Paper, etc

  15. The College of Engineering is the largest college at the univ.

He’s good in AP classes – chem (A), math (A), calculus (A), history (B), computer science (A) plus some more.

I guess to keep his grades above the requirement, he should avoid working at all and just concentrate in studying.

The main concern for high stat students (and really all students) is making the transition from HS to college.

OP, your son will perform as well at UAH as he will in any very good engineering curriculum. If has to maintain 3.0 for scholarship, have the first term have a mix of his requirements in so that he can achieve a strong GPA his first term. During the first term he will be pre-registering for 2nd term, so he will know how he can handle.

He will need a car for an off-campus job IMHO. Huntsville does have a bus system, and could bike, but biking on some roads can be hazardous due to fast drivers - it only takes one fast driver to hurt your student. He possibly could find an on-campus job. Maybe once he settles in he can see how this would work out. There are a few fast food type places very close to campus where he could manage w/o a car - Quiznos and a few others. If he has worked some before at a fast food restaurant, he will have an idea how fast food restaurants or restaurants work. There are some close dining places for wait staff etc. I would have the work just be for some spending money. His main ‘work’ is being a strong student.

Also see about UAH honors - he can find a ‘tribe’. Often honors at some schools have some special things going that make student life more exciting.

He can do some fun stuff too - UAH has a very nice rec center, has free sports programs to go watch, like college basketball and hockey.

I know engineering students that do have to repeat a class - and this happens typically at an upper level class, doesn’t matter the university. Some will withdraw and re-take, and it takes them longer to graduate. Some will have a lighter course load so they will do better. Whatever school he is at, you can see what he may be able to do summers in CA to be able to finish in four at his chosen college.

Being an A student in high school math and science is generally a good sign for students going into engineering. As long as he is committed to school work, it is likely that he will do well. He should be aware that college school work (at any college) does require more of his own time management and self-motivation; compared to high school, class time will typically be less, but out-of-class reading, assignments, and other preparation will be more, and college instructors will expect students to do the work with less hand holding and progress monitoring.

Since UAH or FAMU is affordable without loans or paid work needed, it would be better for the transition to college for him not to work, at least in the first semester. After that, he may choose to work for extra spending money, based on what he can handle with a full course load of college courses.

So…how will you pay your other bills if you get laid off. Really…this is a senseless plan.

And remember the 2016-2017 FAFSA AND the 2017-2018 FAFSA will both use the 2015 tax return information. And you have already worked 1/3 of 2016 so if you have a plan for the 2018-2019 FAFSA, you better put it into place now.

You know…why can’t you consider yourself fortunate to have a good job now…as the ability to help pay for college for your kids.

Read this thread…but check each college website to see current practices:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1651944-very-low-cost-oos-coa-universities-less-than-25k-coa-for-everything.html#latest

Your kid might actually get merit aid at some of these…but even if not…if you can pay $15000 a year…and the kid takes the $5500 direct loan…and gets a job…cost could just about be covered…and yes…some have engineering.

@dad3sons

here is a good post from @ThreeKidsMom that would seem to address the issues you brought up:

"DS is a current freshman at UAH. Last year, when looking at the low graduation rate I determined it was likely caused by two factors. A lot of UAH students participate in co-ops. These are typically 1 or 2 school semesters plus 1 or 2 summers. The other factor is that it is/was more of a commuter school. The age skews a bit older than other universities we looked at, so I figured there were more students with jobs and families. These students would likely take lighter loads and stretch out their education over a longer time frame.

Addressing some other points made above:
Merit Scholarships:
I don’t think losing scholarships is much of a factor. If you look at the numbers from the Common Data Set, particularly H2A (n), it certainly appears that the vast majority of the students with academic scholarships keep them.

Commuter School:
In my son’s honor classes, particularly Honors English & FYE, the classes that all honors students must take, he found a lot of OOS students. He has friends from all over the United States, plus a few internationals. Like him, most came for the awesome scholarships. He does have friends from the local area as well. It is a nice mix. Among his friends & suite mates, I don’t think any of them regularly go home for the weekends. I think all, certainly most, of his friends are planning to live on campus next year as well.
I imagine that the non-honors student body is less geographically diverse.

Weed Out Classes:
My son is in the college of engineering. He came in with lots of dual enrollment classes, and at a sophomore level for the engineering specific classes. If there were any weed-out classes, he either came in at a level above them or he just hasn’t noticed. He had 2 years of excellent, high level, college instruction from dual enrollment, so he has not experienced any transition problems. He already knew how to study at the college level. Some of his UAH classes have been mostly review for him, but for the other classes he has put in the time and effort to earn his high grades.

“I want him to have professors who are supportive , with a warm, friendly college experience. He will be far from home and I want him to feel comfortable gong to professors, and engaging in the campus community.” :

Yes, my son is also far from home & I wanted those things as well. I think UAH has been very good in these areas. It is a nice, comfortable, friendly campus. He does feel welcomed and he is engaged with other students and professors. His complaints have been the weather (we are from a climate with very dry air), that it is so far from home, and the food (“everything is fried”). Otherwise, he is quite happy there. One interesting remark he made was about Dr. Wilkerson, Dean of the Honors College. My son said that, after meeting him once at a campus visit in the spring of his senior year, Dr. Wilkerson remembers him and greets him by name every time they pass each other on campus. Son is very impressed by that!

Job Opportunities:
Yep, I’m impressed. We chose UAH for the awesome merit scholarships, friendliness & size of the campus, reputation, and the job opportunities in the community. Sure enough, he was offered a great summer internship with a company in Huntsville. And a great perk is that we don’t have to scramble trying to find a place for him to live during the summer. He can stay on campus. Now, if he was a “true freshman” I think it would have been much more difficult to land an internship, but with all his dual enrollment courses he is a sophomore for the engineering sequence."

if your son is sharp enough to earn the full tuition scholarship then he would likely be very capable of graduating in 4 years … unless, of course, he chooses to extend his time by taking advantage of the co-op program.

the application fee is only $30. it really makes sense to fill it out and send it off ASAP.

Sounds like a good idea. I will tell him to apply this weekend and send all the requirements.

He needs to do it tonight. The application is not long. Get the test scores also sent. That way hopefully you can call early next week and verify that he would eligible for the scholarship situation at this date. Colleges have limited staff to attend to all these last minute applications.

Ah ok. Does it require to declare a major on the application?

I don’t post very often but have been a lurker for years, learning so much from all of the wonderful long-time posters on CC.I have to say that this is one of the best threads I’ve seen for how helpful everyone has been to the OP, even going so far as to call a school for more information. It’s so nice to see all the great suggestions and help.

Yes, and I am grateful. I learned a lot and sometime regret that I feel like it was little late. I should have joined last year and asked all these questions. My options would have been wider.

Your second son will at least have more information and options to consider when building his application list with affordability (based on the $15,000 per year you intend to contribute) in mind. Realistically, net price under $15,000 with no federal loans or work, $20,000 with federal loans or work or a little of both, or $25,000 to stretch with federal loans and work.

Basically, for him, the affordable options are likely to be:

  • CSU Bakersfield as a commuter.
  • Other CSU, but he would have to take federal loans and work.
  • UC, but only if he earns a significant merit scholarship (e.g. Regents’ at some campuses), and may still need federal loans and/or work.
  • Bakersfield College (community college) for two years, then CSU or UC; may need federal loans and/or work.
  • Some low list price colleges (e.g. some mountain west schools like the South Dakota publics).
  • Full tuition or higher merit scholarships at other schools are likely to fit without needing federal loans or work, or need very little.

Using net price calculator, having 2 sons in college doesn’t help much to get some grants unless it’s for private university. This is for my case.

My principle now is the OOS must be better than CSUB and has the major my son like to take, or else, he’d rather go to CSUB. My second son wants to do Computer Engineering.

For UAH, if son knows he wants ChE, put that in. If he wants a field in engineering but unsure of which, put in engineering.

If your son really really wants a UC, the only way to make it work is if he attends a cc for pre-reqs and works about 8-10hours a week. You bank the full difference between cc and your 15k offer and he saves his work earnings : with the 15k for each of two years + the money banked + his savings he can afford a UC for 2years (or cal poly slo which is also terrific for engineering, and as selective as some UC 's.)

One other note on doing the California Community College to UC or Cal State (including Cal Poly) route is this. If your local community college is missing some pre-req classes, there are a lot of transferable classes on-line available at other California Community Colleges. You can search a data base of these classes and register at another campus online. Tests are taken either online or thru a local proctor. Applying to these colleges is free and you can attend 2 colleges at the same time; you just have to be careful on what classes you take and have to send transcripts, etc.

@dad3sons what about Cal Poly or San Jose State for either son? San Jose State is known to have fantastic engineering and chemical engineering, and the tuition is about half UCSD. Cal Poly is about $2000 more for the tuition but still less than a U of California campus. Cal Poly Pomona has lower admissions requirements than SLO.

Also since you have three sons, think about National Merit awards, if son number three tests well on PSAT. In California it is tough to win National Merit, the score is a tad higher than other states, but if he can score well enough, then a list of 30-40 colleges, including Arizona schools, Oklahoma schools, and many others may be nearly free. The student must take the SAT after scoring well on then PSAT.

My eldest will transfer later to UC or maybe, as your suggested Cal Poly. My second son will take his first SAT test this June and I will wait for the results. His GPA is 4.29.

My 3rd son is only 10 year old and way too early to think about it although he said to me last night that he wants to make robots for space stations. He’s watching ISS on you tube and he already knows basic coding for little micro-motors, etc.

My second son doesn’t know what he wants to be but he said he wants to be an engineer. What kind, he doesn’t know. I am suggesting Environmental, Safety, and Health Engineering but he didn’t buy it.

Among the CSUs, chemical engineering is available at Cal Poly *Pomona/i, CSU Long Beach, and San Jose State.