New England colleges committed to free speech?

I think many liberal arts colleges (and Ivies and many others) have allowed for the creation of an environment in which there are significant consequences to saying certain things that disagree with a political orthodoxy that for shorthand I’ll label as DEI, though it is probably broader. Taking Harvard as an example, because it has been in the news, Harvard had a research professor who taught a very popular course on Hormones and Behavior who basically was frozen out because on a book tour, she made some statements about sex (there are only two kinds of gametes) while respecting everybody’s opinion to choose their own gender – my sense is that her statements were a little sloppy and tailored to the Fox show she was on. An apparently brilliant black economist similarly had his pay eliminated and his lab closed for two years for two years, derailing his career – I am not sure what went on but I think I read that he made some sexually suggestive statements in his lab that he says were joking but that some female students found offensive. A mandatory Title IX training at Harvard last year warned all undergraduate students that “cisheterosexism,” “fatphobia” and “using the wrong pronouns” qualified as “abuse” and perpetuated “violence” on campus." Larry Summers was forced to resign when he made impolitic but not necessarily scientifically innacurate statements about men and women’s IQ – median are the same and but men are overrepresented in the upper and lower tails – and speculated that this could imply an overrepresentation of men at the high end of science. (Like Gay, this statement would probably not have caused his expulsion if he had not already insulted all kinds of people and more importantly tried to change the academic schedules to move first term exams from after Christmas/New Years to before.)

So, people tread very carefully around certain subjects and would generally avoid certain lines of research because they do not want to be hounded or shut down.

That is probably why the failure to stand against calls for genocide of Jews, whether direct or veiled, caused a firestorm. Harvard’s Office of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Belonging actually considers Jews a minority (not true in most other schools including Stanford) but never had any programs to deal with antisemitism. Harvard’s unwillingness to act (by making unequivocal statements like acknowledging/condemning the rapes of Israeli hostages) highlighted a sense that the implementation of DEI and its underlying philosophy at Harvard was really faulty. Incidentally, I know quite a few professors who share this discomfort with the implementation of DEI who, like me, are probably liberal-leaning centrists or liberals. Some might have said progressive until recently.

I don’t think Harvard is that unusual. My son attended a NESCAC school a number of years ago. At least one day and maybe two days of orientation were devoted to DEI training, with a particular focus on male / female relationships and consent (the Me Too era). I told my son “Do not say anything. There is nothing you can say that won’t hurt you later.” According to my son, there was an incredibly muscular, incredibly handsome African American male student whose name was actually Adonis. Adonis was perplexed by some of the conversations about consent. “You mean, if she crawls into my bed without my asking (apparently not unusual in his experience), I have to ask her for her consent?” He was ridiculed by the DEI trainer and a not entirely positive reputation followed him for his four years there. (Remembering my warning, my son actually tried to signal to the kid to stop talking and cut his losses, but he wasn’t successful).

I think the danger is that institutions will throw out the baby (in my mind, the US still has an obligation to help the descendants of slaves and Native Americans, both groups that have been dramatically and systematically harmed by government policies) with the bathwater (the over-reaching implementation of DEI programs to focus on things like fatphobia and preferences for other groups that arguably haven’t been deeply harmed by US government actions like slaves and their descendants and Native Americans, the notions of oppressor/oppressed groups that are etched in stone, etc.).

From the OP’s perspective, I think the kerfuffle at Harvard is going to cause the pendulum to swing in other direction a bit. And, as @Blossom and others have said, certain fields will suffer much more from attitude orthodoxy. Economists and business schools tend to be more conservative. Sociology departments less so. Certain LACs really encourage the education of social justice warriors. My impression was that Wesleyan was one of these. Williams much less so. So I think you will need to ask parents of current students. The students have been getting lots of the orthodoxy so may be less aware.

Some schools – like U of Chicago – probably never shared the same political orthodoxy and others have a conservative branch (Stanford has the Hoover Institution, which houses conservatives).

Fair enough. But would you prefer to have un-educated “social justice warriors”?
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I’ve had four cases like this, where the complainant snuck into the guy’s bed naked and later accused him of assaulting her once she was there. I have to say, I’m with Adonis on this one, but you advised your son wisely.

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@circuitrider, when I’m writing posts on CC, I don’t pick my words as carefully as I do for professional stuff. What I mean is that some schools pride themselves on training social justice warriors. Training SJWs can be different than educating them – it prompts them to be angry and to go out to change the world but not necessarily to critically examine or understand the deeper political, social and economic mechanisms that are at work.

I’d prefer that the schools actually educate their SJWs (and other students as well), with a grounding in economics and political economy, probably picking up some historical perspective. When I talk to some of the kids who have attended some of these school and see themselves as social justice warriors, I am impressed by their passion, their extreme naivete, and their sloppy thinking. A friend’s daughter, who graduated from a very high-end school and prides herself as an anti-capitalist, who was holding out for a year (while living on Daddy’s money, earned as a grubby capitalist) trying to get a job with an NGO dedicated to the total elimination of prisons in the US. I’m not in favor of prisons and back in the dark ages actually spent a bit of time studying aspects of the criminal justice system and I would have hoped that she would have a clearer view of the societal problems that have led us to have prisons, even though I agree with her that the US chooses incarceration at a much higher rate than other countries. In many cases, the US opts for incarceration where a) the problem was preventable; or b) other alternatives would be superior.

More generally, I’d be delighted if they had read The Economist for a year to get another perspective on the problems that concern them. When I finished my STEM PhD, I was 26 and felt I did not have a sophisticated understanding of world events aside from the episodic news I would get from the NYT. So, I asked professors at Harvard, executives studying at Harvard Business School and the Kennedy School of Government (HKS) and a bunch of folks from a number of countries including France, Germany, Singapore, can’t remember the others) what two publications I could read to expand my world view and make sense of newpapers’ otherwise episodic reporting of events. Every person I asked had The Economist as one of the two. I read it religiously for years and still read it, though not so religiously as I can often predict what they would say.

To me, the ignorance and naïveté of these very committed stuents is pretty remarkable. Take Israel-Hamas as an example. I’d love for future SJWs to know that Hamas’s charter explicitly calls for killing all Jews and to know what many Palestinians mean when they say “From the river to the sea, Palestine should be free” before naively parroting the phrase. (Yes I know that for many people it does not mean kill or throw out the Jews, but for many people it does). The aforementioned young woman didn’t know about the 1947 UN declaration calling for the establishment of a Jewish state of Israel, that five Arab nations attacked when Israel declared its independence, or much about the Holocaust. But, in her ignorance, she had been happy to protest. (This is not to say that she wouldn’t protest now that she is less ignorant. But her protest would have to be more nuanced.). I’ve heard other kids say, when asked what will happen to the Israelis, say, “they can go back to the countries they came from,” not realizing, for example, that 65% of Israelis originally came from Muslim countries in the Middle East and Africa that drove them out with pogroms and restrictions and b) would probably kill them if they were to try to return. One can no doubt find the same naivete on the part of some pro-Israeli college students.

I’m all for helping the world. I devote a substantial amount of my time to pro bono projects, although my focus is on the problem (e.g., ending a civil war, helping countries transition more quickly away from fossil fuels) and less on the social or environmental justice issues. But, I find understanding something of the complexity of the world can help a lot. I wish for all an education in which they pick it up.

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My apologies. I was quite certain that you were using the word, “educating” literally and naturally thought that the inclusion of Wesleyan in your original post was a direct reference to an actual university sponsored program which, indeed, targets and to some degree attempts to channel youthful passion into the more practical aspects of community development.

As to your reply to my reply. I’m sorry, if that’s been your general impression of student activists. My experience differs. My experience is that very few of them escape college without a firm grounding in how capitalism works and the history of Western Civilization; there are all sorts of redundancies built into the curriculum of a typical New England college that virtually guarantee they will have come across Adam Simith as well as Karl Marx. Their opinions just differ from mine, and I suspect yours and that’s what makes this a free country.

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Full disclaimer- people who know me IRL often say that I am the most progressive friend they have ever had. I won’t list my bona fides… but I do consider myself to be a straight up New England liberal Democrat.

HOWEVER- I don’t agree with you on the redundancies. I find many young college students and grads shockingly naive and uneducated on various topics which relate to their activism.

You can argue that redlining is bad and that banks have contributed to segregation- both in housing as well as education. You can argue that traditional credit scoring almost implicitly puts working POC at a disadvantage. You can argue that banks and other financial institutions have a horrible record lending money to Black, Latino/Latina entrepreneurs- even successful ones- and that in turn, their startups have worse access to capital even when you control for size of the enterprise, customer base, cash flow.

BUT- do many of these young people understand that while the banking system may have problems- living in a country without a functioning financial sector (except for the black market, counterfeit, barter, off-shore accounts for elites, etc.) almost ALWAYS hurts poor people MORE than our flawed banking system? If Wall Street is the enemy (therefore it must be occupied, remember that?) who is the ally or friend? Not the countries which foster kleptocracy and outright fraud and gazillions of percent inflation… surely not, if you’ve studied even at a cursory level what the opposite of our “evil capitalist” system is, right?

I find these young people quite ignorant. They want to throw Molotov cocktails at the big bad institutions with no sense of what could or might replace them. And they have shockingly naive ideas about Cuba (for example). And zero sense of irony that while they are demonstrating for food and relief in Gaza, the Hamas leadership is living in luxury penthouses in Qatar on the money they have stolen from UNRWA and other relief organizations. They don’t know what happened to the agricultural infrastructure that Israel left for the Gazans when they withdrew in August of 2005. Agriculture is “boring” apparently (or maybe bougie?). Nevermind that it was millions of dollars of sophisticated agronomy, irrigation systems, technology for exploiting the sunshine and minimizing pesticides in high end greenhouses.

All destroyed. But some of our young people believe that international aid is somehow more valiant than a vigorous agricultural system which supports jobs and healthy food and an export economy?

I think Shawbridge has it right.

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First of all, CC already cuts into my day trading, so I’m no stranger to capitalism, but this thread in particular has overflowed its “banks” (see what I did there?) and veering into politics (again.) Suffice it to say, the state of ignorance of the average American about how the banking system works, probably deserves a thread of its own.

I would love to discuss the banking system with you. As long as make sure to include Adam Smith and Karl Marx !

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However, I’m still not sure how spouting off about subjects they know nothing about signifies that someone is hostile to free speech. In fact, just the opposite, I would think. :thinking: I mean, we’ve all experienced the urge to say to someone, “I wish you would just shut up.” I’ve had that urge many a time on this forum, but am usually pretty good at not following through on it. What I think happens on many college campuses, including no doubt, some in New England, is that some people project that same urge onto everyone they disagree with, thus causing them to equate every slogan they hear as an affront to their own right to free speech. Besides, let’s be honest, if students couldn’t spout off about a subject they knew relatively nothing about, most undergraduate colleges would go out of business.

THIS! It’s quite difficult to have full perspective when living in a privileged bubble while someone else pays the bills.

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This is my experience as well. Many of the passionate and intelligent young people I know are very naive about geopolitical realities and quick to protest without a complete understanding of the issues. For some reason the kids I know seem to have a blind spot when it comes to what is happening in Gaza. While I find many of Israel’s actions troubling (and agree with their views of Netanyahu as a wannabe dictator), the fact that they are unaware or dismissive of the Palestinian’s contribution to the conflict is mind boggling. They seem to accept the narrative that Jewish settlers came and kicked out innocent Palestinians from their land without question - as opposed to looking into the very convoluted history which featured questionable behavior from many sides.

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It is pretty remarkable. At least two of their three kids are self-styled anti-capitalists, although the other one did not live on the Bank of Mom & Dad. But they all went to excellent private schools from grade K and NESCAC/Ivies. I won’t go into detail, but the background is beyond privileged. After a while, I think they insisted that the daughters work – I believe one is working as a waitress.

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But I could say the same thing about many young people who are self-employed, often holding down multiple jobs in today’s gig economy and haven’t lived with their parents in over a decade. I may disagree with them, but IMHO no one who rides the NYC subway on a daily basis is naive about reality; a lot of them are just fed up with what they see as the extremes in income they see first-hand.

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This is a leap of logic I don’t agree with…

I hear a lot of “The rents are too $%^&” high from these folks- which they are. But what’s the solution- MORE rent control? (which economists believe causes higher rents and fewer low income units available). MORE regulation thereby driving out the small business folks who own three or four rental units and are being drowned by red tape and ancillary costs as it is?

Yea, they see illegal immigrants (and lots of them). But they believe that the presence of these people is what’s driving layoffs at Google and Spotify and Meta. Do they really think that the man who is looking for work washing windows or picking strawberries is taking their job in tech?

They may see what they see. That doesn’t mean they understand it.

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Again, even assuming you can make generalizations about what all young people believe, the fact that they are wrong doesn’t mean they don’t have ample life experiences, aren’t capable of agency and responsibility and forming an opinion worth weighing.

You’re arguing about substance (a worthy goal) whereas I took this thread to be about process. Do people have a right to be respected, even when they are wrong?

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I don’t think anyone on this thread has posted that they aren’t entitled to their opinions, agency, etc. The question is how fact-based is the analysis-- and for “some” (see, I’m not generalizing) it is quite nuanced. And for “others” it is quite black and white. And overall, I think our country benefits when we are teaching critical thinking which allows for the fact that some situations require nuance.

Is it possible that the country can do both?

That seems not to be restricted to young people – many passionate and intelligent (at least in some subjects) people of all ages are naive about political complexities around a political subject, but are quick to complain, protest, or support questionable causes or politicians based on superficial understanding of the subject (often based on opinion media masquerading as news).

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Maybe even more so.

requires critical thinking skills, which many folks in the country do not have.