<p>… or both.</p>
<p>Pfft. Everyone knows that rich people have perfect, idyllic lives. I guess you missed THAT one, DRJ4. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>Rove is an ends justifies the means kind of guy, and a hypocrit…but if you admire him and his methods, goodie for you</p>
<p>Yes, he was a personal friend until that boyscout camping trip… I just don’t do things like that Karl…:)</p>
<p>Out here it’s salmon fishing on the westside and on the eastside it’s trout, walleye, large and smallmouth bass. Besides being on the opposite spectrum with POV’s, it looks like we are on the opposite coast as well. </p>
<p>Haven’t gone in a long time, spoiled the kids during the salmon runs. They thought fish bite every couple of minutes the first time out. Eastside not much better, one kids line in and before I could bait the other, fish on and an 18 inches trout for dinner. Then unhooked that one and the other caught another big trout. Then the reality of fishing set in and they got bored. </p>
<p>The boat became a solom ski boat, not a salmon boat the last 10 years. But, I wouldn’t change that time for anything. Best family time ever, boat camping on a big lake with hardly anyone else, in 90 degree heat during the day and a sky full of stars at night.</p>
<p>“Yes, he was a personal friend until that boyscout camping trip… I just don’t do things like that Karl…”</p>
<p>So the answer is that you know nothing about the man other than what the media feeds you. That’s cool.</p>
<p>I’m with you on this, Opie. My father was a Euell Gibbons type with a law degree. We had a big family, and every summer we drove up to Kennebunkport and rented a couple of tiny primitive cottages (I didn’t know the Bushes back then). Dad would take us down to Cape Porpoise, and we would fish off the commercial fishing pier. He’d rig the little ones up for pollock, because you could just drop your line straight down and pull them up, one after another. We older kids were rigged for mackerel, so we had to cast out a little ways into the channel, but Dad had the rigs set up perfectly, so we were just as successful as the babies with their pollock. At low tide, we’d wade out and gather mussels, rake clams, and net crabs. We could be up there for two weeks and never pay for a meal, except for the one-time obligatory lobster roll dinner–very expensive for a big family, even in the 60s.</p>
<p>I lost interest as a teen/young adult, but once my kids hit their teens, my inner Euell Gibbons burst forth. There’s nothing I’d rather do on vacation than hang around on a dock or in a boat, fishing. Even if they’re not biting. Then I paint–but I still keep a line in the water.</p>
<p>“So the answer is that you know nothing about the man other than what the media feeds you. That’s cool.”</p>
<p>NO hon, I’m just not biting on the bait you have on your line. 
I’ve read your stuff before.:)</p>
<p>driver, </p>
<p>How cold was the water? Here (WA) I’ve found the eastside the best where we go cause the fishing is great and the water is warm (our spot) and the game fish grow big and love it. We’ve been going for years and hope to continue on if the stars aline. The resv. we go to is about 28,000 acres of warm (80) fresh water surrounded by sand dunes and sun. We spend most of the day up to our necks in the water. 30 miles away the Columbia river flows and the water’s so cold you don’t go above your knees on a hot day or you could have a sex change in seconds.</p>
<p>If the world’s leaders could just go fishing instead of fightin, we’d all be better off.</p>
<p>“the media feeds you,” considering that Rove is a media machine, uses it all the time, plants stories, does push polls, and works the media, it is amazing that someone has to defend Rove from the media…</p>
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If you’re talking about my childhood trips to Maine, we went in June (cheapest rental season) and the water was very cold–blue lips and finger nails, but we swam anyway. In Gloucester (last August) the water was quite comfortable, but there wasn’t anything else to catch but striped bass. I asked a local fisherman, and he said that pollock and mackerel could be caught earlier in the season, but in August, the stripers took over.</p>
<p>CGM: nobody has to defend Karl Rove from the media. It was just an interesting life story. Go eat a box of cookies.</p>
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Now that’s setting the bar high, eh? What’s next? “Cleans his plate after dinner?”</p>
<p>Kluge, surely you are aware that it IS an achievement for someone coming from a background like that. One of the very sad things about our supposed “free will” is how influenced we all are by our childhoods. Children of divorced parents are more likely to divorce; children of parents who abandoned or abused another are more likely to either abuse their next spouse or to seek out abusive mates. Children of younger parents do not fare as well socially, academically, or in terms of income. Your level of education, high school achievement, and even SAT scores are very strongly correlated to the education level of your parents.</p>
<p>The sad thing is that people who come from bad childhoods are beating the odds just by being “normal.”</p>
<p>i was addressing ms zoosermom…but yeah, not store bought cookies, homemade chocolate chip- the best, if we can cook them before everyone eats the dough</p>
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Oops, I forgot one–did not get frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs.</p>
<p><em>poof</em></p>
<p>LOL! Unfortunately, it seemed as if every high-level conservative in DC was getting frog-marched about for ridiculous reasons - so Rove’s lack of frog-marches may indicate that the opposition doesn’t take him very seriously. ;)</p>
<p>" was addressing ms zoosermom…"
It’d be great if you wouldn’t.</p>
<p>Ariesathena, reread that first sentence:
So what you’ve got is - Karl Rove’s version of his relationship with his parents after he left home for college.<br>
A few things that would occur to an objective reader:
a) How much of the story is even fact-based, let alone “true?” Bet you dollars to donuts that there’s some out-and-out lies mixed in with the half-truths.
b) According to Rove’s story, he grew up in a nuclear family which remained intact until after he left for college. Poor baby!
c) According to the story, his (step?)father continued to send “support” checks for Rove while he was in college, although Rove says his Mom took them. Does this even make sense? After a marriage of close to twenty years it is more likely that Dad was sending support checks to dysfunctional Mom than that he was sending it to his adult son in college - and why not send them directly to little Karl if that was the intent? A lot of the details of this little drama just don’t pass the sniff test. </p>
<p>Believe me, I could construct a tearjerker out of the true details of my own life that would make poor Karly look like Paris Hilton by comparison, if my goal was to try to make myself look like a victim - and I bet half the CC posters who read this could do the same. </p>
<p>This snippet has all the earmarks of Rovian spin - and got the predictable response from the traditional Rovian spinees.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/449691p-378518c.html[/url]”>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/449691p-378518c.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2006/09/karls-closet-rove-fires-back-at-books-gay-dad-claim.php[/url]”>http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2006/09/karls-closet-rove-fires-back-at-books-gay-dad-claim.php</a></p>
<p>just some light reading</p>
<p>Kluge, thank you, as always, for the flailing vituperation; You’ve been missed. Please don’t stay away so long, next time.</p>
<p>I find your theory creative, and highly plausible. Although Karl regularly interrupts my thoughts with a Rovian Mind Meld in order to program me for my next mission, he would likely withold knowledge of “Operation Fake Family” in the interest of operational security. But knowing Karl as I do, I’m surprised and impressed at the ease with which you have uncovered an operation that must have been decades in the making.</p>
<p>Thomas B. Edsall, as you no doubt know, is a Washington journalist and author of high repute and impeccable liberal/progressive credentials–senior political reporter at the Washington Post, regular contributer to The New Republic, Slate, Washington Monthly, NYT Review of Books, among others. His most recent book, “Building Red America” is a cautionary study of the Bush/Rove attempts to consolidate the conservative political machine, with his own opinions as to how best to go about stopping them (you might want to read it). If what you are theorizing is correct (and I suspect that it is), then one of two things must be true: 1) Edsall is a “deep cover” mole planted by Rove some time in the early 1970s (perhaps using those support checks “stolen” by his mother—perhaps the suicide was faked? Would like to hear your best “dollars-to-donuts” take on that one) who has been writing with a pronounced liberal/progressive POV for all these years, only to be activated for use in a special Slate profile of Karl once he was out of trouble and in the waning years of his most important political assignment. Or, 2) Thomas Edsall is in fact what he has always seemed to be, and Rove somehow convinced him (possibly using the Mind Meld) to run his story as he himself related it, verbatim, without fact-checking any of it, and in spite of the obvious risk to his decades-old reputation as a credible journalist.</p>
<p>I hope you will follow through with your promise to construct a tearjerker about your life as a Paris Hilton-like figure. I always look forward to your posts.</p>