I can’t believe that ANYONE could possibly defend this horrendously incorrect verdict. Disgusting and bankrupt.
I’ll just leave this right here …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu4dupoC7EE
The (Minneapolis) StarTribune is reporting that Officer Yanes received 46 hours of training in the use of force, 36 hours on street survival, and 20 hours on the use of his firearm—but only 2 hours on how to de-escalate tense encounters. Police experts in de-escalation say Yanez could have de-escalated simply by taking a step back to a point just behind Castile’s open window. That would have made it extremely difficult for the motorist to turn and shoot the officer, and it would have given the officer more time to react if the motorist did pull his gun (which as it turns out wasn’t even loaded), thus reducing the fear factor and giving the officer more time to ascertain the motorist’s intent. Instead, Yanez escalated by pulling his own gun immediately upon being told that Castile had a gun, and then firing within six seconds after receiving that information. Castile had no chance.
Some responsibility lies with the St. Anthony police department for such poor training, though they now say they want to move to a full day of de-escalation training.
Congratulations, you have mastered the art of histrionic virtue signaling.
Negative. They almost always run your plate from the cruiser before you are approached. You have sufficient time to take out your license and registration and PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE WHEEL before the officer leaves his vehicle. Not that I get pulled over a lot, maybe 4 times in the last 10 years, but I have never not had this time.
I’m having trouble reconciling all this.
@ClassicRockerDad I still disagree, not for the sake of arguing but because it can be dangerous to put out information that could escalate a situation. Even if the LEO is running your plates, he/she is still keeping an eye on your car, observing you, and it is best for all involved to not see lots of movement and reaching into places that could be perceived as possibly grabbing a weapon. One should remain calmly in one’s seat with hands on the wheel.
Here are proper steps as outlined by the Portland Police, which mirrors other advice I’ve read:
"Things To Do When Stopped
Officers are trained to place a great deal of emphasis on their safety and survival, so they can do the job of protecting others. Many of these guidelines are based on the safety procedures that officers follow.
Slow down, safely pull over to your right when you can and make a complete stop. Please stay in your car with both hands in sight on the steering wheel and wait for the officer to approach. Do not get out of the vehicle unless asked to do so.
Show the officer your driver’s license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance when asked to do so.
When driving a motor vehicle you are required by law to have in your possession a valid driver’s license, proof of vehicle registration and proof of current insurance for the vehicle. If you are stopped and you do not have all these items with you, you could be arrested, issued a citation and/or have your vehicle towed, depending on the circumstances."
Also echoed here: http://dsp.delaware.gov/pdfs/Delaware%20State%20Police%20Car%20Stop%20Tips.pdf
And here: “Keep your hands easily observable, preferably on the steering wheel where they can be easily seen by the approaching officer.
Reaching under your seat or into your glove box are actions that will cause the officer concern that you may be reaching for a weapon.” http://www.wsp.wa.gov/community/pullover.htm
@gclsports, I’m sorry, I did not mean to give the impression that my anger was directed at you. I appreciate your contribution to the discussion.
More of the same…
@Zinhead , it is possible for some of us to hold more than two thoughts in our heads at the same time. Gun violence in Chicago is a dreadful problem. But this thread is about Philando Castile. You appear to be deflecting because you don’t want to admit that LEOs of all races killing black men–and women–is a problem. Please note that it is a problem far beyond the sheer number of deaths, because it erodes the fabric of society and the faith that many citizens, not only black citizens, have in the police and the courts.
Hate to dampen any of the white-hating on this thread, but “Officer Yanez” dos not appear to be white. Please restrict comments to complaints about Hispanics in the justice system.
Oh, for doG’s sake. No one is “white-hating.” And I would note that my post immediately above yours says
Way not to score a point. 8-|
In the Milwaukee shooting, the cop is black, as was the victim.
Who is white hating? Numerous posts have talked about bias and excessive use of force by all officers. All cops can be biased regardless of race but it’s not false to state that most shootings of unarmed black men come st the hands of white officers.
As I called it, Tensing case in Cincinnati, hung jury.
https://improvingpolice.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2017/06/22/%EF%BB%BFthinking-about-philando-castile/ This is from a former police chief.
Some time ago I setup a thread to discuss gun violence in Chicago and it was promptly ignored.
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1885024-death-in-chicago-p1.html
Since that thread was posted, there have been more than 700 murders in Chicago which, for the most part, are also ignored in CC and in the media. Yet, whenever there is a shooting by a policeman, the same group of posters show up to decry the “racist police and our unjust society” regardless if the shooting was justified or not.
Last year, there were around 7,000 black men killed in the United States. Of that total, there were only 16 unarmed black men that were killed by police.
http://www.newsweek.com/police-killings-unarmed-black-men-538542
A local insight. In Minnesota, if you have a permit to carry a gun, you’re not required to reveal to a LEO that you’re carrying unless asked. Philando Castile attended a gun safety class (required to get a permit) that was taught by a white instructor to a mostly white class. The instructor advised that, notwithstanding the law, it was safer if you’re stopped by a LEO to politely inform the officer that you’re carrying, so as to avoid any later misunderstanding that could lead to unnecessary tension, conflict, and possibly violence. That’s exactly what Philando did, and it got him shot and killed.
Meanwhile, across town in a gun safety class taught by a black instructor to a mostly black class, the instructor advises that if you’re black, you should never voluntarily reveal to a LEO that you’re carrying, because it immediately makes you a suspect or worse, a target. That’s exactly what happened in Philando’s case. And I think that speaks volumes about the racially disparate state of police-community relations in Minnesota and the nation.
You started a thread titled "death in Chicago ". It’s no shocker that the thread didn’t get traffic. It’s disingenuous for you to say you started a thread about gun violence. Nothing in that title says gun violence. In addition you provided a link to a story where the victim was punched, which again has nothing to do with gun violence.
You are so quick to pull the black on black crime as if I don’t give back to the inner city. If you did you any homework you would know that a ton of folks give back and try to stem the violence. We all have a right to be concerned about our black sons and husbands. For me being an upper middle class person of color, the men in my immediate family have a greater chance of being killed by a cop than being killed by another black man in a retaliatory gang shooting which is most of Chicago’s shootings.
The black on black stat is old. Over 70% of white murders are by other whites. So what are you doing to stem the white on white crime?
Post #13 from that thread.
Who reads down to post #13 when the title is generic? Face it, your title didn’t lend itself to a bunch of interest.