<p>Vlad, it is ridiculous to think that Tylenol is being provided for “hungover” employees. First of all, Tylenol is the last thing you want to take if there are traces of alcohol in your system, and, secondly, Tylenol is a part of a standard first aid kit.</p>
<p>Ibuprofen has always kept the hangovers at bay, personally. </p>
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<p>As noted in the above, Romani, I think you misread my post. I said ability was diminished which is true. I said tobacco is worse than alcohol which is also true. </p>
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<p>Except that you did not list any of those upsides. </p>
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<p>You are bringing oranges to an apple fight. Try harder.</p>
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<p>Tobacco does not ruin lives but the cancer it causes does. I suspect death from tobacco caused cancer might quality as ruining your life.</p>
<p>Do you actually want to know the upsides, razor, or are you just being smart?</p>
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<p>I don’t go to work hungover. I’m just repeating what I’ve been told about “Why is there Tylenol in the back?”</p>
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<p>You’re trying to say alcohol and tobacco are “bad” because they are unhealthy, and anyone who uses one of these two is stupid due to the unhealthiness, right? I’m trying to fight the claim that it’s stupid to do something unhealthy. </p>
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<p>So does suntanning rise to the same level since it as well causes cancer? </p>
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<p>I am pointing out that if you cannot support your opinion with at least some examples, maybe the opinion is wrong. </p>
<p>I said I did not see any upside to alcohol and gave several examples of the downside. If there are upsides to alcohol I would be surprised if any are of significance. </p>
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<p>People enjoy drinking it. Similar to the upside of watching TV, or reading a novel, or traveling, or any other thing people do that they enjoy. </p>
<p>Ok, you’ve more than answered my question, razor. </p>
<p>I’m not here to defend the upsides of alcohol to someone who is convinced there are none. You can continue to believe that. It does not matter to me, just like the upsides do not matter to you. </p>
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<p>That’s not exactly what I am saying. There is a difference between “unhealthy” and “harmful.” It’s a matter of degree. </p>
<p>Eating a greasy hamburger, smoking, and consuming alcohol may be unhealthy, but the harm to you and others is dramatically different. Not many people die or get arrested for eating fast food on occasion. If people smoked one cigarette every decade it might not be a problem, but nearly every smoker is addicted and smokes enough to jeopardize the smoker’s health. Having one drink every so often might not be a big deal, but I have yet to know an alcohol drinker who has not consumed alcohol to excess such that he or she lost control of the ability to think rationally and properly function physically. Maybe there is an exception and maybe I will win the lotto. </p>
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<p>It’s a matter of degree. Suntanning in excess is not illegal (publically consuming alcohol in excess is illegal). Some suntanning does not cause cancer only tanning in excess by those prone to skin cancer will get cancer. Routine smoking will cause cancer. </p>
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<p>I don’t understand this kind of thinking. So if someone smokes 1 cigarette and drinks 1 beer a day will you approve? A week? That still means they smoke, it still means they drink. If we don’t talk about the magnitude about how much someone smokes or drinks or how much they suntan or eats fast food how can we say anything? You limited experience with someone who smokes excessively or someone who drinks excessively doesn’t constitute the population of those who smoke and those who drink. To come against consuming these in any degree doesn’t make sense, because in small degrees they aren’t any more harmful than eating fast food or suntanning. </p>
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<p>So people do this sometimes. People also get diarrhea sometimes. I don’t see how this is a problem.</p>
<p>It is probably true that most people who drink have experienced some degree of impairment on occasion, but depending on context, why is this necessarily a problem? I’m an infrequent drinker who has never been really drunk, but if I invite three friends over for dinner and have two glasses of wine - which might be enough for me to feel a little buzzed – what horrible risk am I incurring?</p>
<p>One can drink responsibly or irresponsibly. As long as the former is possible, I see no reason to not to enjoy yourself, if you like the taste.</p>
<p>The upside to drinking alcohol is the same as the upside to eating chocolate or hang gliding or putting fresh cut flowers on the table-- the people who do it like it. Maybe you don’t like chocolate or are afraid of heights or are allergic to flowers, but others are not you. And maybe you don’t like the taste of alcohol or don’t like the way it makes you feel, but others do. They’re not you.</p>
<p>OTOH, IMO, it’s in the worst of taste to urge someone to drink when they have politely declined.</p>
<p>Maybe I’m just a hedonist, but I do like wine or beer with my dinner; I also like “unhealthy” food but in moderation! (I.e., macaroni and cheese, pasta with bacon,etc!) Would never smoke, do not see the “upside” there and saw a parent die of COPD, so … Also love the sun, never burn, just find sun relaxes me. I wear my seatbelt though! So I don’t know, am I risking my health or not!!!</p>
<p>You are a bad person who is waltzing towards their death. Heed the warnings of posters in this thread. It’s not too late to turn your life around. </p>
<p>Drinking to excess on a regular basis is unhealthy. Otherwise I cannot see how drinking is “unhealthy.” In fact I thought it was pretty well settled that a couple of glasses of red wine a week is actually good for you. Doesn’t matter to me either way. I love wine and will continue to enjoy it.</p>
<p>When I think about what really and truly matters to me in my life, I can think of nothing more important to me than having friends and family at the table with food good and good wine, with food thoughtfully and simply prepared and wine selected with attention and care. The pleasures of the table are an important part of my life, and wine an important part of the pleasures of the table. Wine, in moderation, is an important part of my family’s culture and traditions. </p>
<p>I also enjoy the historical and intellectual aspects of wine, the study of which has greatly enhanced my life. I like to sip a glass of wine from the Rhone Valley (not necessarily an expensive bottle), for example, and think about the fact that the grapes were grown in a vineyard that has been cultivated for wine since the time of the ancient Romans. </p>
<p>From time to time, I like to indulge in an older bottle and think about the winemakers long dead whose labors went into the bottle. </p>
<p>I like the miraculous amount of variation that a product as simple as fermented grape juice can yield. </p>
<p>in addition to all that, I like the taste, the enhancement of food, and the feeling of relaxation that a glass of wine can give. It feels gracious to share a nice bottle with my guests.</p>
<p>I used to have a wine cooler in my office, and the company reimbursed me for wines I bought. Every Fri afternoon at 4 I would put out few bottles of wine for whoever wanted to come into my office to shoot some breeze. It was a great way to wine (whine) down. </p>
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<p>Whether I approve is not the issue. </p>
<p>The question is what is in one’s best interest and whether a person is making a correct decision to engage in certain behavior. Smoking one cigarette is unhealthy, but becoming addicted to cigarettes and smoking many cigarettes every day is harmful because it will kill you. This distinction should be obvious.</p>
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<p>If I could chose not to get diarrhea, I would chose to avoid getting diarrhea. </p>
<p>People can chose not to drink alcohol in excess and chose not to become cigarette smokers. They should chose avoid these things as well.</p>
<p>Just lovely nottelling! We also like wine, food, entertaining and the history of the wine. There are times when I don’t indulge for various reasons but I would never not have it available for guests at my home. I would feel like I wasn’t a good hostess! We just had D2’s wedding and neither she nor he drink but we still had adult beverages available. That is just the way I was raised…think of my guests first. It was always about having options.</p>
<p>Wow, some of the comments on this thread are mind boggling. </p>
<p>I am not supposed to drink anymore because of a medical condition and I do miss it. We usually always have a glass of wine with dinner and definately when entertaining! I did find Fre, a de-alcoholed wine. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.frewines.com/”>http://www.frewines.com/</a></p>
<p>I cannot drink soda because of my condition, either, or anything citrus, and water gets really boring after awhile. </p>
<p>I would also hate to think if I say I can’t drink anymore someone would assume it’s because I’m an alcoholic! </p>