I completely understand. Sorry! Information is power, though, and I hope it was at least helpful in that way. Best of luck to your child in their recruitment process!!
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Such helpful information and insight from you all! Thank you! I had absolutely overlooked the fact that the Common App will be all done already. So yes she should crank through a few more supplementals to have those ready just in case.
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FunnyâŠcould have written exact same post. Coach and admissions all positive but have heard a few random stories about deferrals with other schools. She is applying to a couple flagships and a rolling so not much extra effort. Also making a list of who to circle back from recruiting. She was lightly D-1 with a few who offered a walk on or a spot based on likely transfers after the season. Nothing solid but options if for some reason the wheels fall off the bus.
Is this true for ivys as well or is a coachâs support a lock for admissions?
Yes, the final decision is made by the AO in the Ivies, so until you get the admit letter, nothing is certain. A Likely Letter is close to a sure thing, but even then, it is not final.
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I know of an athlete who did not get a LL in the end because of academics and ended up going elsewhere. I also know of another at Brown who did not get her LL until right before the RD deadline even though she had to apply early. The general rule is that you are fine once you have an LL but the timing for the LL can sometimes slip from late fall.
While this is true, IME itâs usually due to something on the athletes side⊠rigor of classes did not match what was expected/discussed during pre read, first term grades lower than expected, test score never materialized, etcâŠ
And if you do not get a LL, does that mean you wonât get in? Just trying to understand if a supported athlete at an Ivy can still be admitted even if they donât receive a LL.
At most Ivys, as far as know support = LL. There are athletes that are told by the coach that they are welcome on the team if they get in on their own. In other words, a walk on can still be ârecruitedâ and not have to try out, but they have to get in on their own academic merit.
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I know recruits (with positive pre-reads and full coach support) who were accepted but the LL didnât come before acceptance. Sometimes admissions gets backed up, sometimes the student gets the app in right at the deadline (no LL until app has been completed)âŠyou know, life.
If the student hasnât seen an LL a month after submitting the app, check in with the coach. They are the recruitâs advocate and can find out what is happening in admissions.
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Thank you. Have you ever heard of a coach telling an athlete that they passed the preread but that admissions will not issue a LL (coach then said he ânot worriedâ about the lack of LL).
In this specific case it was an Academic Index issue for the team. They were very open about it and told the athlete that they shouldnât worry about their situation but that LLs wouldnât be issued until it was sorted. They did ask a couple of TO admits to test if they thought that they could hit >1400. It made me curious as to how they were handling the AI in a test optional world.
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NoâŠhas this actually happened to you or are you speculating?
The pre-read is done by admissions, not the coach. So, if the coach offers the athlete their full support/a slot after a positive pre-read it is rare that things wouldnât work out. Tonygrace highlighted some reasons why that could happen in post #47, and then aimlesscat1âs post just above this one.
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At an Ivy?
The reason I ask is that itâs important to note that rules and practices around likely letters can vary a lot by conference and school.
The Ivy likely letter is pretty unique IME, as by conference agreement it has the force of a letter of admission.
As others have mentioned, sometimes one can be âeligibleâ for a letter (that is, supported by the coach through admissions, positive decision by admissions) and yet not receive the letter. Usually just because it is getting close to the admissions letter going out, or just things are backed up. Some schools call with confirmation of admission and ask if the recruit wants the letter.
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I do know of someone who had very strong stats and not offered a LL because the coach figured the kid would get in and heâd put his weight behind someone else, so heâd get both. The kid with a 4.0/1560 did not get in. In hindsight the coach, at the time new to the school, realized that he had been naive.
I know of other athletes who were offered LL after a gap year because the coach had no more LL to give (this is tightly controlled and not coaches discretion) so clearly they had passed the pre-read. In both instances they applied for the graduation year but did not get in. Officially committed and reapplied the following fall with no issue.
What matters IMO is the âverbalâ LL from the coach. Having said that, some schools seem to be more open to âsoft supportâ than others. Harvard comes to mind, particularly if said athlete has a legacy hook as well.
ETA - we are discussing LL at Ivies, correct?
As far as D3s, there is an OLD thread on here about Haverford and its practice of passing students for pre-reads but then not admitting. It seems Haverfordâs view of a pre-read was âIs this student qualified for admissions?â and in fact MOST applicants are qualified (say the qualification is a 1300 SAT/3.5 gpa). But most admitted students are a lot stronger than that.
I donât know if thatâs still the MO there or if the coaches have developed a better system with admissions. But ask if the pre-read means admissions will actually admit. The coaches should know. I think above the parent/students have asked how often a coach doesnât get a student admitted after a positive pre-read, and if the answer is they are always admitted, I donât think there is a reason to worry. I understand there is always some worry, but there is nothing you can do about that.
Yes, this is for an Ivy. Basically the recruit was told by the coach that admissions came back with positive preread but would not be able to give a LL. Coach did not seem concerned but I am wondering if the fact that admission wonât give a LL is a red flag. Could there be other innocuous reasons why admissions would not give a LL to someone who passed an admissions preread?
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Yes, at an Ivy.
Yes, the coach conveyed that the athlete passed the preread by admissions.
Did the coach explain why no LL?
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