Northwestern ED vs. Cornell ED

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<p>“the liberal arts experience provides 1 on 1 attention”
I’ve heard some varying experiences on this board. It’s what they advertise, sure, but good lord we’re college students here - I don’t want somebody holding my hand until I graduate!</p>

<p>“seminars of anywhere from 2 to 15 kids”
how good can a prof possibly be if he can only get 2 people to take his class?</p>

<p>“dedicated teachers who focus solely on undergrads.”
Cornell gives you dedicated teachers who are also really famous for the work they do. </p>

<p>If you have a crappy prof, it doesn’t matter if there’s 2 or 2,000 people in a class. Crappy profs will also cause you to make terrible arguments, much like “BrownPlease” here has so nicely shown us.</p>

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<p>I know that everyone here has given numbers to help you decide. But here’s my opinion:
I think that you should really do some intensive research into both Northwestern and Cornell (if you haven’t already) and try and decide which one is better for you personally, or which one you could definitely see yourself in. Then apply to that school ED. But, if you are COMPLETELY torn, and have no way of deciding because they both have so many of the attributes that you like, then you might as well flip a coin because you basically have a similar chance at both Cornell and Northwestern per the numbers.</p>

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<p>northwestern.
no reason.
just northwestern.</p>

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<p>Well I have researched the academic parts of it (thats how I am down to two schools), so I guess the deciding factor will come down to shallow questions: Which arts and sciences program will look better to graduate schools? Which one is more prestigious? andddd which one would look better in the job market (business related)?</p>

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<p>“Which arts and sciences program will look better to graduate schools?”
cornell’s peer assessment score I believe is higher - but I don’t think there’s any difference in the prestige of the 2 schools for grad schools. </p>

<p>"Which one is more prestigious? "
neither. </p>

<p>“andddd which one would look better in the job market (business related)?”
neither. NU may have an edge in the Chicago area while CU may have an edge in the NYC area … even so they’re about as even as you could possibly get. </p>

<p>honestly, I wouldn’t try to answer these questions, you shouldn’t worry about them. The two schools are about as even as you can humanly get. I’d look at things such as location, availability of courses you’re interested in, campus life, and so forth.</p>

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<p>Alright, thanks for the advice Gomestar, are you in CAS?</p>

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<p>nope, enrolled in ILR, though I’ve taken a solid portion of my classes in CAS</p>

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<p>When I visited Cornell I was a bit confused by this: Is it possible for me, as a CAS student to take classes in business in ILR and still be in CAS, and also would you recommend applying to both ILR and CAS in order to increase my chances of just getting into the school and then being able to transfer once there or even just take classes in the other (like you seem to do)</p>

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<p>“Is it possible for me, as a CAS student to take classes in business in ILR and still be in CAS”
totally, you can take classes all over campus. Some of my friends have even taken classes in the Johnson school (the graduate business program). </p>

<p>"and also would you recommend applying to both ILR and CAS in order to increase my chances of just getting into the school and then being able to transfer once there or even just take classes in the other "
You could, but it doesn’t seem like it’ll work out like people may expect. I guess the 2nd college will be considered very rarely, and only the best of the best in the applicant pools will actually make it. Instead of trying to create essays that caters to the 2 colleges (plus an additional one for your 2nd choice), you’re better off creating 1 essay that’s for the #1 college you’re applying to. The stronger it is, the better.</p>

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<p>for an out of stater is there much of a difference in the admit rate for CAS vs. ILR?</p>

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<p>ILR is generally easier number wise, though they tend to look for things like relevant EC’s and so forth.</p>

<p>last year, 29% of those who applied to ILR ED were admitted</p>

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<p>what are some “relevant” EC’s?</p>

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<p>they could include school clubs such as mock trial, debate, business clubs, some union work, or even political things. Relevant classes even work. Basically, things that show interest beyond just you saying “i’m interested”</p>

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<p>well I am VERY involved with politics and debate…I would have thought that would have been more of a CAS thing…ILR too?</p>

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<p>ILR is huge with debate and stuff - it’s like a core part of the school. You may be more fitted to ILR than CAS. </p>

<p>33% of ILR grads go to law school.</p>

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<p>oh wow, thanks gomestar, after doing some research looks like you are correct, do you think not taking calc as a senior is going to hurt me? I am taking a difficutl schedule otherwise…
Bio
AP Spanish Lit
AP Euro Hist
AP English Lit
Precalc
Also it might take some convincing of my parents to let me apply…are graduates successful?</p>

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<p>you’ll be fine w/o calc. </p>

<p>Graduates are very successful, 30% go to law school, 20% go to other grad schools, and 50% enter the job market (these % are rounded, give or take a few to be exact). The average ILR grad places #2 after engineering for highest salary offered upon graduation. ILR grads go into a HUGE variety of fields from ibanking and consulting, to the exact opposite of the spectrum with union work and nonprofit.</p>

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<p>do they go to top law schools? are there any stats available (btw, gomestar thanks for all the help so far)</p>

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<p>yeah, though there aren’t any stats that say how many go to which law school from ILR. Columbia and NYU seem to be very popular here and a handfull end up at Harvard as well - my friend says that they have HLS-ILR study groups, but I can’t confirm this or anything.</p>