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<p>“in disgust”- that was just sooo sweet to say to me</p>

<p>he qualifies for instate tuiotn BECAUSE of the scholarship then> which is to help OOS students pay for the college…is that your point…and if so, how does he get a refund…when he is has paid zero dollars and the scholarship ITSELF is what created the instate status tuition wise…</p>

<p>so, again how does he qualify for instate if NOT through the scholarship, and if it is THROUGH the scholarship, that is because that is what the scholarship IS…but regardless, the OP has paid not dollars in tuition to the school anyway</p>

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<p>It has been explained. You just don’t like the explanation.</p>

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note: “throwing one’s hands up in disgust” is a general expression, and in this particular case, posted to Keepmesane. But oh, silly me… I guess throwing around terms like “felony” and “embezzlement” were just general terms too, not directed at anyone. Next I suspect we’ll hear that the terms “dense” and “do you not understand that???” were just used in generalities too. This is beyond ridiculous. I have real work to do.</p>

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<p>is this thread going for a record?</p>

<p>( bring back the LaX!)
;)</p>

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<p>I agree that some are being overly harsh.</p>

<p>To the OP, my advice is “let it slide” if whatever the school decides is not in your favor 'cause few people will be sympathetic to someone not getting the money falling from the sky.</p>

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<p>EK-
LOL! Next we should bring back the SeaTac christmas tree thread!!</p>

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<p>Jym626, Naw, I’m just gonna let CGM and others continue to live in their bubbles and I’m going to continue to live in mine. Unlike jmmom, nothing is ever clear to me when it comes to financial things and buearacratic organizations, especially ones with the kind of internal political games that universities play. Kinda like trying to figure out what they are really asking on the PROFILE, especially those universities with their own set of questions. </p>

<p>I do know that universities don’t always state specifically why the are doing what they are doing for reasons that are unique to each university and they really don’t want their alumni, donors and citizens to know. Generally it’s because they don’t want the same kind of public furor that is going on here. I’ve seen it happen. And, I realize that a lot of the problem here is because people see this as a CASH GIFT while I see it as a reimbursement of costs the OPs family already paid whether that be room, board, extra fees, books, etc. Athletes don’t get cash back because they are never asked to pay anything at all while the OPs family did. If the University decides that the Bursar Bozo acted appropriately, then the family will not get CASH in the future but rather credit towards things other than tuition. They will however pay the University $2500 less a semester. Since they have already paid that $2500 for this and other semesters, they will get a Refund or a Cash Gift depending on how each of us chooses to look at it. On the other hand, if the University decides the Bursars Bozo acted incorrectly, the OPs request will be rejected and then they will decide that since THEIR EMPLOYEE MADE THE MISTAKE, the OP can keep the money or they will very politely ask the OP to return the money and apologize for giving the OP erroneous information. Either way, it will reinforce my past experience that these organizations frequently have as many differing opinions on things as are evident here at CC and send me smuggly back to my little bubble.</p>

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<p>keepmesane,
It goes back to my other famous theory: If you don’t like the first answer you are given, particularly when you are dealing with a bureaucracy, hang up, call back and ask for someone else :slight_smile:
More than once I have made that one work to my advantage, particularly when dealing with the airlines.</p>

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<p>or the IRS- why do they even hire some of these people?</p>

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<p>Not just organizations. Heck, rather than play Mom against Dad, my kids figured out that if they ask me again in two hours or when I’m more distracted, they may get a different answer.</p>

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<p>I received a polite p.m. suggesting I try to clarify a few things again. In the interest of not appearing to be a possible felon, I shall try.
First- On son’s first visit to school, the Univ admiss counselor explained to us although we live out-of-state, he was qualified to get in-state tuition rates due to the universities’ reciprocal arrangement with our state.
Second- if anyone isn’t familiar with what is meant by a reciprocal agreement(not all colleges/states offer them) , then please find out what they are before commenting on them. I will add though, that the purpose of a reciprocal agreement is to attract cetain students based on geography.
third- Why are we bringing this to schools attention now? We aren’t. School brought this to our attention with the surprise refund mailed to us.
fourth- Why did we get refund? According to staffer in Bursar’s office, we were entitled to the difference between the scholarship he was awarded and the actual cost of his tuition.
fifth- we are relying on explanations from a Bursar’s office staffer to explain Bursar’s office actions. Is it so ridiculous of us to rely on their explanations?
sixth- why do we think student is entitled to oos tuition, if he is qualified for in-state tuition? Because that is what scholarship committee chose to offer him when he was a prospective student, knowing all his facts, and that is what he accepted.
seventh- let me be clear it is not in dispute that my son has met, and is currently meeting and/or exceeding all the conditions on his end that went along with the scholarship offer. if anyone were to even suggest he might be failing to honor his obligations, having no evidence of that whatsoever, would be totally uncalled for.
eighth- How much money are we talking about? I have used examples of 10k for oos tuition, and 7.5k for instate. I have used easy numbers to help explain my point but do not wish to reveal actual numbers. Partly because actual numbers do not affect the principles here, plus, because I consider actual numbers my personal business.
I hope this helps.</p>

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<p>younghoss - did you ever imagine the war of words your post would create? Yikes.</p>

<p>Everyone really needs to chill and go get a life (says i who wastes way to many hours on CC??). But really the two of you (you know who I’m talking to) are never ever going to convince each other of the others opinion so give it a rest before the mods have to close the thread down.</p>

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<p>SO, let me get this straight…you ONLY qualify for instate tuition BECAUSE of the reciprical agreement, correct? And as well, you pay zero for tuition anyway, correct…now you want a “refund” because you are Instate…though you are ONLY instate because of the scholarship/reciprical agreement, though you have paid nothing…</p>

<p>yes, the circular logic is alive and well, and I thought Catch 22 was passe’</p>

<p>Good look, I am outa here because, frankly, if anyone thinks it is normal and ethical to pay a student 20,000 or whatever to attend…well, I have a plot of land at three mile island</p>

<p>I have been checking this myself, and no where did I see anything remotely saying that an out of state student would get paid the difference (after having paid nothing at all) for attending the school</p>

<p>Must research this further…there is actually a thread about this program on this site…and after following the links describing the various systems, including one in Ohio, gee, can’t find nothing saying you get paid to attend their school…that a scholarship means we give you oodles of money, above and beyond not charging you any tuition</p>

<p>good luck…</p>

<p>If you want to know why I stuck with this thread and bothered? But it was astounding to me that anyone who is getting a free education feels they deserve and have earned, via enticements, hard cash to attend the school…it is just truly amazing…</p>

<p>why wouldn’t all sorts of students, go hey, wait a second, you aren’t charging me for tuition, and I am OOS, but now because of the program I am instate, pay me…</p>

<p>What is every one else missing that the OP has discovered!!! That all OOS students with free tuition through this program should get paid to attend this school…rightious!!!</p>

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<p>With all due respect, Younghoss, the problem lies with this part of your assessment:

That statement, I believe, is not entirely honest. If it’s true, no problem, but everything about the situation you have described suggests that an error was made by the scholarship committee - that is, the OOS tuition-level scholarship was offered under the belief that that was actually the tuition your son would have paid absent the scholarship. I think that if the intent was actually to grant a “tuition plus” scholarship that fact would have been expressly stated in the scholarship award and you’d have known about it from the start.</p>

<p>It’s tempting to sell yourself on the theory of events which favors you financially, but it’s best to step back and be brutally honest. If you didn’t believe that your son was being offered a “tuition plus” scholarship when he accepted the offer and enrolled, I doubt that the University did either.</p>

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<p>The wording of the scholarship offer was, IMO, very ambiguous. An “eight semester out of state tuition” scholarship given to an instate resident or an out of state resident who qualifies for reciprocity could (possibly) be interpreted as a scholarship <em>worth</em> eight semesters of out of state tuition, rather than <em>covering</em> tuition, per se. After getting that $2500 refund, and the explanation for it, I’d certainly be checking it out right now. But if it all turned out to be an honest mistake on the part of the school, I’d drop it.</p>

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I agree. Oh, I agree a lot. A bunch. Scads.</p>

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<p>It would also be interesting to know the actual amount of money involved. The difference in IS and OOS tuition at some schools is $15,000 to $20,000 per year, which would easily exceed any reasonable cost of room, board, books and spending money. I am not aware of any school that knowingly provides a scholarship of that magnitude.</p>

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<p>As an aside, I would like to see a list of public 4-year universities, where the cost difference between in-state tuition and out-of-state tuition, per semester, is only $2500. </p>

<p>The following comment, " . . . we were entitled to the difference between the scholarship he was awarded and the actual cost of his tuition," suggests that perhaps the scholarship is not a full tuition scholarship. ? Again, if it is, then $2500 seems very small for the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition. </p>

<p>Regardless, the actual cost of his tuition (the real cost of educating him) is almost certainly the equivalent (and probably more) of the out-of-state tuition amount.</p>

<p>Edit: Tyr, you beat me to it. That’s the part I don’t understand, either.</p>

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<p>psst. They’ll never say. They know if they do we’ll have the school ID’ed in less than a minute.</p>

<p>edit: and then in another 3 minutes we’ll have the policy posted.</p>

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<p>As I understand it, based on the OP’s statements, the student was already given a refund (difference between in state and out of state tuition) for one semester. The OP didn’t ask for it. Now the OP wonders if that is the case for one semester, why not for the previous ones? Or, OTOH, maybe the college made a mistake in granting the refund. The OP wants clarification. What was the intent of the college in giving an <em>out of state tuition</em> scholarship to someone who pays <em>in state tuition</em>. Sounds like a reasonable question to ask. Especially after being given a refund. Which the college initiated. </p>

<p>In a nutshell, the college appears to have made a mistake of some sort, either in granting a refund for one semester, or for not granting a refund for all semesters. Sounds like the OP has a right to know what’s up, and if the college intended for the student to have more money, then so be it. And if not, well, at least things will be clarified, and perhaps the college will find a different way to word such offers in the future so as to not cause this sort of confusion.</p>

<p>Let us know what you find out YH. Or you can always use PM and e-mail if you don’t feel like posting on this topic anymore . . . I’m curious about this one.</p>