Not getting scholarshpi promised...

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<p>I’m confused as to why they expect a refund.</p>

<p>If the scholarship is for tuition, OOS vs. in-state makes no difference, so no refund.</p>

<p>Even if the scholarship is for cas, the only conceivable situation in which a refund would happen would be if the college knew the son was in-state, awarded the OOS scholarship on that basis (unlikely - why not just give an in-state scholarship?) and then knowingly withheld the balance of the reward. Since I’m pretty sure the college didn’t know the student was instate, they will most likely argue that the scholarship was awarded on misinformation, and simply retroactively change it to an in-state-level full scholarship - effectively no difference, but no refund happening.</p>

<p>More confusing to me is exactly why younghoss feels entitled to this money - I think it’s pretty obvious that the scholarship was not awarded based on the student being OOS… given that, I would be happy with the full tuition that he’s getting and not be greedy. That’s mainly what this is, imo - greed.</p>

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<p>It’s strange how everybody interprets things differently. My understanding of the OP’s statement was that the son was offered a scholarship at an out of state school as well as in-state tuition. OP does not say it was a full tuition scholarship, just that it was a 4-year scholarship. I understood that to mean they were supposed to be billed at in-state tuition rate less the scholarship but that the school was billing them at out-of-state tuition rate less the scholarship, a difference which probably means several thousands of dollars.</p>

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<p>Gee, I wonder why…:rolleyes:</p>

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<p>I read/interpreted the OP’s comments exactly as LIMOMOF2 did. Many U’s give automatic “in-state” tuition rates for out-of staters and then waive them as the scholarship. I am not sure any refund is due ot anyone, but I am also not sure why the OP has been summarily tarred and feathered. Lighten up everyone.</p>

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<h1>30. Thump. Our S has a scholarship program (multiple part) from his MS school that exceeds his COA. A BIG headache and unbelieveable tax preparation cost occurs when scholarships exceed the COA, those costs almost ate all of his “profit.” I have simplified his finances a little for 2007 but 2008 looks like another confusing tax year.</h1>

<p>The OP may discover that the tax consequences are substantial.</p>

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<p>the issue is that the OPs son accepted the scholarship, that was for being an OOS applicant, NOT an instate applicant…and as such, the OOS tuition is the basis for the scholarship…it was an incentive to bring in an OOS student…would they have offered the scholarship if they had known the student qualified for instate tuition…most likely not, OR the scholarship would have been for a different amount</p>

<p>If you accept the scholarship representing yourself as an OOS student, do you THEN turn around and go, oppsy, we are INSTATE instend?</p>

<p>The OP could be opening one big ole can of worms if they now go and say, well, when you gave us the OOS scholarship, we were actually INSTATE, so you need to pay us the difference</p>

<p>The school could very easily turn around and say, well you applied claiming you were OOS, and signed the contract and you KNEW it was for OOS students and you accepted our money…well, you defrauded us and you now owe the school for the 5 semesters of class, and you did NOT qualify for the scholarship, as it was based on false information.</p>

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<p>^^^ Huh??</p>

<p>As for all of you who had decided that the OP is purposely defrauding the school, the govt, what have you. Sheesh. Perhaps it would be reasonable to ask further questions for the OP to clarify before making all these egregious assumptions. Holy cow.</p>

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<p>"Son was offered, in writing,
out-of state 4yrs(8 sem), accepted the offer, and has been attending. Conditional on his grades, of course but they’re ok and not in dispute. Problem is that son is entitled to in-state rates, and has always been.
We feel son should be entitled to refund of the difference between his promised scholarship and actual tuition cost. "</p>

<p>He accepted a scholarship that was for OOS students, though they were instate…they want the scholarship money, but want it to apply to instate tuition…they want it both ways…OOS scholarship but instate tuition…</p>

<p>So, if they want to pay that instate tuition, they should no longer accept the OOS scholarship funds…something they agreed to…and signed onto, accepting the OOS tuition schedule</p>

<p>Do you think that an OOS scholarship, intended to help defray OOS costs should shift to cover instate costs-</p>

<p>ANd is this the schools “error” as claimed by the OP, or the OP’s error for not realizing they qualified at the beginning for instate tuition? </p>

<p>Here are the possiblities:</p>

<p>The school had information the student was instate, and missed it, offered a OOS scholarship which was accepted by the OP- and either the OP knew they were instate and accepted it, or didn’t know they were instate and accepted it.</p>

<p>THe school had no information the student was instate, and offered the scholarship through no fault of their own, which was accepted by the OP- and either the OP knew they were instate and accepted it, or didn’t know they were instate and accepted it.</p>

<p>The OP had full knowledge at the time of the scholarship offer of the instate qualifications but said nothing,</p>

<p>or they had no clue, not having done their research or had been misinformed, and accepted the scholarship honestly thinking they qualified for an OOS scholarship</p>

<p>Either way, they recieved a scholarship that was meant for OOS students to cover OOS tuition</p>

<p>IF the school had been told this was in INstate student, would they have offered this same scholarship? Doubtful, as it was for OOS…would the OPs son maybe have qualified for a smaller scholarship designed for instate students, (creating a similar tuition bill) very possibly</p>

<p>However, now we have a family that got OOS money, but wants to base it on INSTATE fees…apples and oranges people</p>

<p>Yes, the school most likely gave the scholarship in error and it was based on faulty information…how, depends on how the applicant presented themselves…and now the applicant wants it all- instate tuition, OOS scholarship…I see something wrong there…wanting the benefits of both status’ and wanting to qualify for both, something, you can’t do- you are either instate or OOS-</p>

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<p>one example would be"</p>

<p>you go to a restaruant, and agree to order dinner using a 2-1 offer, but that offer is only valid on meals over 30 dollars. You buy and enjoy the dinner. You realize that oppsy, you had another coupon for $10 off any dinner, and NOW you want to have that count toward your dinner bill as well, though the offer clearly says you have to use one or the other, can’t get the discount and THEN apply the 2-1 offer…</p>

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<p>The analogies to japanese films and dinner coupons?? This is getting more and more peculiar.</p>

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<p>Here’s another possibility, folks. Anyone try to click on the OP’s link to other posts and/or other threads and find that they are no longer there? So, another possibility to the long list of assumptions postulated is that either there is a problem with CC’s links or that the OP was a ■■■■■.</p>

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<p>Prior posts are still there and no, they are definitely not trollish but rather make the OP come off as a pretty savvy business person, someone who is used to entering contracts and such…I think he/she refers to him/herself as a landlord, business person etc, and brings up the term contract several times.</p>

<p>Two things did not make sense to me. If, indeed the OP has been paying towards OOS tuition which instead should have been instate and now wants a refund, why does it take 5 semesters to realize this? And why would one scenario the OP presented be to just let things slide? Who in their right mind is going to just let potentially thousands of dollars “slide”? Seems much more likely this is a pretty savvy person trying to get a handle on whether this is some sort of “loophole” worth pursuing.</p>

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<p>Prior posts are not deleted. However, if you click on the OP’s name and select “find more posts” (or whatever it says) you cannot access anything. That’s what I meant by “no longer there” (meaning you can’t access them by clicking on the OP’s name. Sorry for any confusion).</p>

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<p>jym626, when I did that I was able to pull up other posts…were you logged in when you attempted this?</p>

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<p>jym626: I just clicked on the OP’s name, selected posts, and they all showed up-- so, still there this morning.</p>

<p>The way I originally read the post is that a scholarship, paying full tuition, was made to the student. He was out-of-state, and once given a scholarship, was then considered in-state for tuition purposes. The original scholarship letter stated that he was awarded an out-of-state scholarship. Now, nearly 3 years through his education, his parents decide that they should be given the difference in costs (out-of-state tuition vs in-state), though they’ve never paid a dime for the tuition. ??</p>

<p>That way of thinking just seems so outrageous to me, that I have to believe the above scenario is incorrect. I’m guessing now that it’s a <em>partial</em> tuition scholarship, and they’ve been paying the remainder at the out-of-state tuition rate, even though he is considered an in-state student. That would make a little more sense. </p>

<p>On the other hand, the OP did state that the son was “entitled to in-state rates, and always has been.” Indeed, that suggests some level of fraud.</p>

<p>So, I’m completely confused.</p>

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<p>scansmom-
It is working now-- thats really peculiar. Yesterday and even this morning it didn’t work (and yes, I was logged in). They have been having some “technical difficulties” (anyone else notice the sluggishness when you try to edit a post?) also, the site was down very briefly last night.</p>

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<p>Yes, that’s my sense, too.</p>

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<p>The OP has referred to himself as a “cold calculator” when it comes to college costs. College is an investment. College is a business. If you can increase your return on investment by lowering your capital costs, wouldn’t you do it? ;)</p>

<p>BTW, he didn’t think this through real well. It’s a loser.</p>

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<p>I went back and reread the OP’s original post. I am thinking that perhaps he/she meant the following:
Son gets offered a scholarship- the scholarship says that even though they (student and students family) are OOS, the school will waive the OOS tuition and instead, for the purpose of tuition ONLY, consider the in-state rate. So, for eg, if the OOS tuition is (making this number up) 20,000/yr and the in-state is 10,000/yr, then her s should have to “pay” only 10,000/yr. for tuition. If the student’s scholarship is, say, $8,000, then the tuition due would only be $2000. There are then separate rates for ancillary fees, room, board, etc and are probably different for instate vs OOS students, and perhaps this is where the OP is confused. If the scholarship says the instate is for tuition ONLY, then the student would have to pay all other fees as an OOS student, and then the $8000 scholarship is subtracted from these fees. </p>

<p>I do have to agree, though, that it is peculiar that 5 semesters have gone by and its just been noticed. When I pay my s’s tuition bills, I read them carefully to be sure they are correct.</p>

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<p>curmudgeon: I’m guessing that question was tongue-in-cheek? The way the OP described this-- any way I look at it, the words immoral, illegal, fraud, outrageous sense of entitlement-- they all come to mind.</p>