<p>This gets a little harder to follow, but if I understand correctly, I will try to summarize what I am hearing:</p>
<p>1) These 2 states have a reciprocal arrangement (true for a LOT of schools so that, for eg, students can attend a school that has a program the instate school doesnt offer). OPs s qualifies for the INSTATE tuition rate b/c of the reciprocal agreement.
2) Scholarship is offered that is “equivalent to” the cost of OOS tuition (a dollar amount, I assume, not an “in lieu of” agreement"</p>
<p>con’t in next post b/c I hit “enter” by accident</p>
<p>Could it be possible that the refund check was for “other” scholarships like rotary, kiwanis…etc…? </p>
<p>I know at my kid’s schools they told us if there were any funds left over in their student account (not foodservice) they would cut a check as they are not allowed by the irs to roll the money over. So they cut a check to the student on a monday and on a tuesday the student redeposits it into their school account. This was done because often for full ride kids that first year of college may have alot of extra money for tuition, housing and books…</p>
<p>Could this be what happened? Could the money received be from the college from some other source that was sent to the college?</p>
<p>Thanks for the explanation. So, if I understand correctly, you have never written a tuition check for your son? He was awarded a full tuition scholarship as an out-of-state student, but because of this reciprocal agreement, he is considered in-state (for tuition purposes). </p>
<p>This is correct. Why I think we might be entitled to refund? Because like many students he was offered a scholarship to entice him to attend there, but isn’t getting they offered. Full or partial, athletic or academic, a scholarship offer is intended to entice a student to attend</p>
<p>It is confusing, I understand that. I respect all opinions here so far, but particularly from those who were uncertain what i meant, and chose to be clearer before they commented. I don’t feel “tarred and feathered” as one earlier poster put it, but I do believe there were some who characterized me unfairly. I blame that on my lack of clarity in my op. Sorry I wasn’t more clear sooner.
The schools’ wording in the written offer was for 8 semesters of oos tuition, no dollar figure given.</p>
<p>finishing my post…
So the scholarship dollar amount (say 10,000) is supposed to be listed as a “credit” and the tuition cost is supposed to be listed as a “debit”. The tuition gets correctly listed at the in-state rate, but the scholarship (credit) gets posted at the instate rate as well, instead of the OOS rate. Family is billed the difference for all the ancillary fees, adn the cost is $2500/sem more than if the scholarship amt. was posted correctly. Am I following this correctly???</p>
<p>If this is correct, than the OP is in fact due an adjustment in the accounting to correct for the error in posting of the scholarship amount. If you were offered 10k and only got credit for 7,500, you’d want the difference you were entitled to, wouldnt you? Why is everyone being so snarky??</p>
<p>To me the bigger “crime” I see is when a student applies to a school throughthe reciprocal agreement by selecting some obscure major they really dont plan to keep. They get accepted as a reciprocal studnet, get into the school of their choice at the “instate” rate, and then promptly change majors to their true, intended major. I am NOT saying this student did this. This has, however, happened enough times at our flagship state school that they have had to change the policy for students in under this reciprocal agreement,t hat they only get the instate tuition rate if the major they select is not available at their instate school (and I think, not sure, they cant change their major inthe first 2 yrs, maybe?). Lets give the OP a chance to explain. The op has been much more gracious than many of the posters.</p>
<p>you wnat your kid to get paid to attend? that is just laughable</p>
<p>So if i get this right, you want the difference between OOS tuition and INstate tuition in your pocket? Even though you have paid ZERO…</p>
<p>Good luck…</p>
<p>Just astounding…and galling and selfish and ungrateful…if I was the financlal aid person and saw you request to pay my son to attend, and get a “refund” for something I never paid anything for in the first place, I would flag that account and make it my personal business to monitor the student…</p>
<p>THey offered to cover his tuition…period…nothing more…the fact that your tuition would have been higher is totally irrelevent…</p>
<p>Sure, but you’ve already stated that this is a reciprocal agreement between states (the in-state tuition), so even though it’s a scholarship to an out-of-state student, he is still considered in-state for tuition purposes. Consequently, the scholarship may be an “out-of-state scholarship,” but that doesn’t mean he gets above and beyond what in-state tuition would be. Presumably, this is what the reciprocal agreement is all about (w/regard to in-state tuition). </p>
<p>Again, I have to believe the refund check was clearly a goof on someone’s part in the accounting office. If you don’t alert them of it, it will show up at some point, and you’ll have to return the money, I feel sure. Now that you’ve written them a letter, though, they will know about it. So hold on to that refund check (don’t spend it all in one place). </p>
<p>He’s getting to go to the school of his choice tuition-free, and you still believe he “isn’t getting what they offered?” Again, you need to see what that reciprocal agreement between your two states actually means. I’m sure you can “Google” it. </p>
<p>Again, I think the self-entitlement here is truly mind-boggling.</p>
<p>Still confused, if S was offered full “tuition” and you have not actually paid ANY “tuition”, the dollar value that the school puts on that “tuition” really has nothing to do with you; the enticement was only that you didn’t have to pay any tuition (regardless of amount). So how can you think you are entitled to a “tuition” refund? (other than that the school itself made this into an issue through their inaccurate recordkeeping. But why should you be able to benefit from that and get something that truly was never owed to you, to begin with?)</p>
<p>In my experience, when a school offers “full tuition,” they are offering to “pay” tuition and only tuition. Not other costs of attendance. Schools are usually quite clear when they are offering scholarship which goes beyond tuition. For example, they may offer a housing fee waiver. Or stipend.</p>
<p>My use of “” around the word “pay” in the opening sentence is quite deliberate. When a student receives a tuition scholarhip, they are not being offered cash. They are being offered, in effect, a waiver of tuition. It is a discount (maybe 50%, maybe less, maybe100%) on the sticker price of tuition. Cash does not change hands.</p>
<p>No refund due. And, I stand by my own implication, via the tone in which I posted earlier, that the OP exhibits a strange sense of entitlement. Suggesting that maybe they should “call their lawyers” because they want more than tuition defrayed? Raises my hackles.</p>
<p>Again, if I understand the OP’s statement, the amount of the scholarship award was “equivalent” to the cost of oos tuition. It is a dollar amount, not a tuition payment.</p>
<p>And, jym, do you think the school intended to offer oos tuition $$ value with a clear understanding that this student was entitled to in-state tuition?</p>
<p>IE, do you believe the school intended to offer more than free tuition to this student?</p>
<p>you are given a “free vacation”- a “value of 2000”…you show up at the vacation, and find other people there who paid only 1000 for the vacation…well, gee if the vacation should have only cost 1000, though I got my vacation for FREE, I should get 1000 refund!!! Because you enticed me here, paid for everything, the “value” was only 1000, so I got jipped for getting it for free!!!</p>
<p>Well, the point is, the amount of the scholarship award for an out-of-state student is probably equivalent to whatever they say it is, and it still costs that much to educate him. Someone else is paying the difference, though (ie, the taxpayers). They don’t want to pay for his presence on the campus twice, I’m sure.</p>
<p>Whatever-- good luck with bringing in the lawyers, too.</p>
<p>So son received instate tuition for 2 years as part of reciprocal agreement?
Or is it that he * qualified* for instate, but you didn’t realize that?
Most schools- at least the ones I am familiar with, place the burden of enrolling in the reciprocal agreement on the student.
If you don’t enroll at outset, then you don’t get it.</p>
<p>I think after reading this 10 times I get it
Say
son is enrolled in Wallamazoo university- which has an OOS agreement.
However- he does not enroll as a reciprocal agreement student- but this doesn’t change amount owed as the school gives him a scholarship for the amount of tuition.
THis I think it is key.
It is not a specific dollar amount I am guesstimating- but for amount of tuition.
It is immaterial in this case that the on paper tuition waiver was for OOS tuition for two years- and now parents realize that if son hadn’t recieved tuition waiver, he could have enrolled at instate tuition amount anyway.
You don’t get a refund between the money you didn’t pay and money you could have been charged.
If you didn’t pay anything, how can you ask for anything back? </p>
<p>* I’d say this rates up there for more confusing threads- but we gave it a good shot! Apparently others figured it out before I did- but hey-the difference between wanting to be paid and wanting a refund confused me*</p>
<p>Some people think that “full tuition” includes room & board. If the difference between OOS tuition reimbursement and in-state tuition reimbursement would help pay for the room & board, then I understand the concern. Room and board in some locations is still pretty expensive. A tuition only scholarship may not be enough to attract the desirable students if other schools offer complete “free rides”. It is possible that the OP thought that with the OOS reimbursement, the offer would be enough to seal the deal.</p>
<p>jym is correct. they offered 8 sem oos tuition. That was their wording. I believe their wording “oos tuition” is relevant. They didn’t just say “tuition”. No dollar figure was given.
To use simple numbers for easy explanation, they offered oos tuition valued at 10k per sem, student accepted. students’ cost of tuition is 7.5k due to reciprocal agreement. But, Bursars office charging student 10k each semester, using up all of scholarship money offered to student. Imo bursars office made honest mistake by charging son oos tuition, not that they deliberately overcharged him just to keep all money for themself. I just don’t think bursars office is entitled to keep more than accurate tuition cost, that just doesn’t seem to be what scholarship committee offered son.
Students get scholarships all the time. Some athletic, some academic, some music, some get small % some get 100%, some get tuition + lodging. Many schools offer many different things to students to encourage them to attend there.
Absolutely yes they knew students address, and I have to assume school knows its own tuition cost.</p>
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