<p>no apologies necessary, none requested. Over in Maryland , there is a large community of Koreans, and this is more of what I’m talking about, who are recent immigrants, ( and when I say immigrants, they could be doctors, lawyers, silicon valley engineers, certainly not your stereotypical asian immigrant ) a formerly close acquaintance was one, he had come over when he was 16 from Korea. His parents as well as he,have an unabashedly HYP mentality, sort of like Paik’s post where she said she was a “sucker for brand name colleges”…they *know * they want HYPM, but they don’t know whythey should want it…they have not done the research, nor do they have the time or motivation…I have experienced firsthand this mentality, and I couldn’t agree with you more, this is actually underneath it all, destructive to our society.</p>
<p>fabrizio, you’re absolutely right,the phrase “your home country” has no right to exist in our lexicon.</p>
<p>D1 had two friends whose parents immigrated here, in one case before one friend was born and in the second case when the friend was four years old. ALL the parents cared about was HYPSM. These girls spent a lot of time at my house, so I felt like I got to know them well. They would have been perfectly happy with different colleges, but the parents wouldn’t hear of it. I remember D1 mentioning that she was applying to Northwestern, and one girl responded that her parents would never let her go there.</p>
<p>The two friends are now attending HYPSM schools. Are they happy? Their parents don’t know or seem to care, but it was clear from the get-go that they would never accept anything less. I shudder to think of what would have happened if the girls hadn’t been accepted to at least one HYPSM school.</p>
<p>Of course, one of the girls had a physically abusive father, but that is a story for a different thread.</p>
<p>This thread has kept me entertained…Again, I have some real issue with some cc’ers constantly referencing Asians. I think the same cc’ers would have the same issue if I were to start making some generalized remarks about Jews. Same people on this thread who poo-poo on rankings are chasing it as hard as just as anyone (or should I say Asians?). </p>
<p>Just for the record, POIH may not have the most popular view on CC, but there are some valid points, and I respect the fact that he is always very respectful no matter how abusive people get on this forum.</p>
<p>Anyone who is so obsessed with just-the-Ivies or HYPSM-or-bust deserves to be called out on it, IMO. </p>
<p>It’s at least understandable if it comes from people who may be new to the country and haven’t spent any time here. </p>
<p>But if you’ve lived here for a while? And you haven’t figured out that career success in the United States is not inextricably linked to where you can go to school, and that many many people go on to high-achieving lives from any number of universities? And that those few universities are not the Only Path to life success and are no guarantee of anything?</p>
<p>Part of being smart is having the ability to look around you and see what reality is around you. And if someone has grown up here or has lived here for a while, and hasn’t figured that out, then guess what? They aren’t as smart as they think they are. There is more to smartness than GPA’s and SAT’s. </p>
<p>If I moved to another country where college selection was done primarily on test scores, and acted as though extracurricular activities and volunteer work were meaningful in college selection, I’d be – rightly – chastised as not being very bright! Because I would have demonstrated a complete lack of ability to look around me and see what’s what!</p>
<p>Yet, when people act as though life success is predicated on HYPSM acceptance, even though that’s clearly not the case in the US, we’re not supposed to call them on it? We’re supposed to act as though they are correct in their assumptions? What on earth for?</p>
<p>stereotypes are one thing, but a trend in behavior within certain ethnic subgroups , if analyzed and presented sensitively and diplomatically , can be useful for society as a whole. </p>
<p>Pizzagirl, couldn’t agree more. It might not be entirely intelligence , however… in some asian subcultures, the opinion of the father/mother trumps everything else, and this won’t change, at least for the next few generations… I for one, would love to see it change, because it could be generating negative impressions of asians as a whole. but…how…?</p>
<p>No one here is an authority to say what is norm, what is upper class, what is lower class. This is a big country, what is norm in the midwest may not be the norm in NE or CA. Everyone has their point of view as to what’s important to their life. It doesn’t make one more valid than another. I don’t think POIH’s point of view is that Asian specific, because I could see 600 sets of parents at my kids’ private school with similar view (at least some of it). I would at least say, they don’t necessary have the view as many parents on this forum.
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<p>I could name enough of white parents who have picked Yale over Duke (full ride), or Harvard over any school, at my kids’ school. If it’s clearly not the case in the US then there would be over 20,000+ kids applying to those schools. They couldn’t all be Asian kids.</p>
<p>We live in a very jewish area. There are also a lot of Asians. The other day a freind of mine who is from Japan commented that the school system is getting very hard these days with all of the people from India moving in…Me, I wouldn’t say anything, but I did find it rather ironic and quietly continued sipping my coffee trying to find something to say, which turned out to be, unsurprisingly, “My daffodils have become to come up in the back yard this week. They’re going to be spectacular this year.”</p>
<p>Only in America, and I mean this in the best possible way. :)</p>
<p>Here are some more stereotypes about Asians.</p>
<p>They work hard. They live within their means. They don’t turn their parents out to pasture when they get old. They are great neighbors.</p>
<p>One of my best friends is from China. He had no idea what LACs were about but after conversations with me for about a year while our kids were going through the college application process he now gets it. He was open to hearing about it and can understand why someone would send their kid to one.</p>
<p>What I get from him is seeing his great attitude. He came over here to enter a very difficult graduate program without even understanding the language. He succeeded with flying colors and was well liked by his fellow classmates. He stayed in this country and is immensely grateful for the opportunities he has here.</p>
<p>I know this isn’t pertinent to the original topic but maybe it fits in with the way the conversation is trending.</p>
<p>include refraining from any form of personal insults. The exact wording is </p>
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<p>and the spirit of this policy is even more important than the wording. Show pride in your alma mater and your child’s alma mater by taking the high road and not making personally invidious comments. </p>
<p>It is fine to have what diplomats euphemistically call a “frank exchange of views” here by simply noting disagreement with someone else’s factual statement. It is also possible to advance the discussion, as some have here, by asking for sources or noting details of the structure of arguments. But keep the insults off the forums. </p>
<p>THREAD CLOSED, with possibility of re-opening, after other members of the moderation team have had a chance to look at the reported posts.</p>