Submit or you will get fired won’t fly in business these days. I will be the first to admit that 30+ years ago when I entered the work force there were some really awful guys and alot of foul language got thrown around. I almost never see that or hear that anymore and if someone were to, HR would handle it pretty quickly. Some really old school ideas get unearthed sometimes these days.
Apparently it flew on the set of House of Cards.
As I understand it, to come under the heading of harassment, behavior has to be repeated, or else be so bad that no reasonable person would tolerate it once. The comment about the hair on the Coke can, reportedly made by Clarence Thomas as a young man, certainly has an “Ewww” factor, and I doubt that you would hear it these days, but I have heard worse. Actually, much worse. I can’t say that I recall all of the details of Anita Hill’s testimony, however.
I didn’t mean to minimize some of the awful behavior by calling it boorish–just to sweep up some behavior that makes people uncomfortable and ought to be eliminated. Also the more prominent cases that have resulted in firing or resignation clearly go beyond boorish.
Quid pro quo demands by a boss or movie mogul are not included in my set of “boorish.” They are obviously beyond that.
There’s a good deal of evidence that it flies at Silicon Valley tech startups, too, unfortunately. Tech bros are a real thing. For example this:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/15/uploadvr-sued-over-rampant-sexual-behavior-in-the-workplace-and-wrongful-termination/
and this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/technology/women-entrepreneurs-speak-out-sexual-harassment.html
“Do you say that boorish behavior in the workplace is always harassment”
As a matter of federal law, the behavior has to be unwelcome AND severe or pervasive in order to be legally actionable. But states and local jurisdictions can choose to allow lawsuits based on milder behavior, and most of the time employers can fire anyone misbehaving in the workplace whether it violates a legal standard or not.
True but most companies will put the person into a personal improvement plan prior to giving them the boot.
THe original thread on former Stanford swimmer Brock Turner is closed, so am posting here. He is asking for a new trial. http://www.businessinsider.com/brock-turner-ex-stanford-swimmer-appeals-sexual-assault-conviction-2017-12
I thought other posters were just stunned into silence by the news, jym626, #386, but I think the absence of responses is due to the creation of a new thread on the appeal topic.
Ah. Didn’t see it. Thanks, @QuantMech