Maybe some like sports and dinner parties and tvs and education/academics. Sounds awfully judgmental .
Nothing wrong with sports and dinner parties so long as one doesn’t prioritize them to such an extent it interferes with one’s academic life…especially as a grad student.
Doing it on an occasion after one’s academic work is squared away is one thing.
Going so often or doing so to the point one neglects one’s academic work to the point of nearly flunking out or actually being kicked out of professional/doctoral programs is something else. And if someone allowed the latter to happen to them, especially as a grad student, his/her judgment over priorities would understandably be called into serious question.
A PERFECTLY timed New Yorker book review for this thread:
The Two Asian Americas
Erika Lee’s “The Making of Asian America” explores how systemic racism has pervaded the Asian-American experience
http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-two-asian-americas
Students who party too hard and jeopardize their academics happen all the time. It had nothing to do with ethnicity.
Was someone saying Asian Americans don’t experience racism?
- “Why not celebrate all the cultures in the country rather than a WASPy notion of Americanization?”
hahaha
Because ALL cultures might not be worth celebrating . That’s a “college professor’s” fantasy.
- “Erika Lee’s “The Making of Asian America” explores how systemic racism has pervaded the Asian-American experience”
yeah it usually the 2nd generation of kids that flips and loses their appreciation of what opportunities the country afforded their parents (the author). Pathetic, but hey publishing is expected when you’re a department chair.
Actually, that’s not what racism is. It’s stereotyping, yes, but racism means believing that one’s own race is superior to other races.
Actually, that’s not what racism is. It’s stereotyping, yes, but racism means believing that one’s own race is superior to other races.
That seems to be a narrower definition than what is in common use. Some racists are only racist against one particular group, not necessarily seeing their own group as superior to all others (besides the one that they dislike). Racism against one’s own group is possible, though uncommon.
Here are some dictionary definitions:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racism
Well, I just object to the idea that anything that references race is racism (as in, affirmative action is racist because it’s based on race). To me, racism has to include some kind of feelings of superiority, or bias, or negative action. It’s not just stereotyping.
I use Hunt’s definition. So does http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism “usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.”
and this one: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism “the belief that some races of people are better than others”
and this one, actually all the ones you posted ucb. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racism "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. "
Yes, but they do not require that the someone believe that his/her own race is the superior one, which somewhat narrows the definition.
For those who believe the high-achieving Asian American second generation is solely due to the hard working/academic focus culture, they will need to explain why the first generation Asian Americans are the top 10 percent of high school graduates to pass the college entrance exam in their country of origin and then again the top 10 percent of college graduates to be ready for graduate study when EVERYONE is under the hard working culture. Many who didn’t pass actually studied harder.
After 2004, there are many undergraduate Asian International students (not graduate students) who were recruited from Asia because they are full pay. These are not the same - most of them came because they didn’t pass college entrance exam. The ‘immigration selection’ effect is slowing down after 2004.
One race is not superior than another, but immigration selection is the most important and obvious factor on this decades of Asian phenomenon. (It is close to the end when Asian economy is booming and less top graduate students are willing to come.)
Those university admission officers who deliberately turn down top Asian applicants to achieve racial diversity and spew out that Asians’ outstanding performance is only due to hard work are doing their universities a huge de-service. The consequence is that they will eventually get behind the state schools who welcome these students with open arms. Even if these students were rejected by top universities, they will still shine. Just wait to see a generation of Asian celebrities in every areas!
If there were any proof that such officers existed, it would be a bad thing. But there isn’t.
Asian culture emphasizes success as an individual-study hard get all A’s, high grades, be the best, others are not worth your time unless they are equal to you. This leads to many more in professions ( Dr, Professor, Lawyer - all high paying) where the success of the group ( teams, companies, subordinates) are not valued or needed.
Asians are disproportionately absent from leadership positions in companies ( how many are CEOs top managers of fortune 500 companies) Caveat, many do well as leaders of start-ups where others are driven to help them succeed in their vision ( but most leave once it is a going concern and needs buidling teams to be successful)
The melting pot mind-set in America to give others a leg up, help the down-trodden, give the weaker in the team a little encouragement and assistance aspects of American culture are some of the traits that make America the economic power it is and why Asian cultures lag behind. The Chinese exploit their workers, the Indian have horrible class structures that limit the economy, Japan has the culture that elders ( the rich) are respected no matter what ( and has led to terrible decisions in Japanese companies and have them dying of their insular nature in the global economy.
Asians will continue to have their place ( and it is well earned) where smarts and hard work ALONE make them successful. We need smart people as Drs and researchers and engineers, people who are well trained to focus, keep their head down and deal with problems one-on-one.
Really? Is that why the US lags behind Singapore & Hong Kong in GDP per capita & infant mortality rate?
That’s a lot of nonsense in #294. Eric Shinseki (Japanese-American) became the US Army’s Chief of Staff. Tell me he is not a team player. The fact that you don’t see many Asian Americans in Fortune 500 leadership positions is that they were late to the game in corporate America and were systematically subjected to the Bamboo Ceiling. Asian Americans were viewed as weak in leadership because most aren’t the Type A sociopath types who inhabit the corporate corner suites.
No one wins the war of sweeping generalizations.
To be honest, I think one of the advantages the young generation of Asians in America has is that they have full exposure to the American culture and values, and willingly or not, they have to adapt and try hard to blend in the “mainstream”. On the other hand, their "persistent’ parents insist that they work hard and achieve academically. It’s too early to tell if Asian Americans have what it takes to be leaders in American corporations, which in itself are evolving (e.g. look who are the leaders of some influential high tech companies in Silicon Valley). That said, the progressive tradition in this country does mean a better environment for hardworking minorities and immigrants to move up, and frankly to keep people involved in this debate hopeful. However, Asian is a tiny minority in this country. No matter what they do or not do, they won’t be the major force in shaping this country’s future. As a nation, America needs to be more open minded and learn from other nations and countries what they have done right instead of focusing on what we are better at than they are. America indeed still commands major superiority in the world and justifiably so. I won’t quote a presidential candidate in saying “we will make this country great again” because I think it IS great but we can say we want to make this country to remain strong and become even better. Learning from others for free does not hurt.
I find the posed stereotype to be very interesting and amusing because that individualistic oriented stereotype is one I’ve commonly heard used to describe the stereotype of AMERICANS held by those from other countries…especially Asian ones.
While there is the emphasis on high academic and professional achievement, it’s more like the individual concerned in the East/South Asian and similar cultures are doing it to glorify not themselves…but their family and/or affiliated social groups.
Incidentally, the same behaviors which would be considered legitimate self-promotional behaviors which enable one to successfully climb the US corporate ladder would be considered too self-aggrandizing, a sign the individual is a poor fit in many East Asian corporate cultures I know of, and would often stall that individual’s career due to poor performance assessments by supervisors/upper management and/or sabotage at the hands of colleagues with supervisor/upper management tacit approval. In short…an individual using self-promotional behaviors accepted and necessary in the US corporate context is likely to crash and burn quickly in many East Asian corporate environments where one’s expected to exhibit some subtlety and tact in order to fit the more team/group-centered corporate cultural context.