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<p>I suggest that you should be doing the fact checking. That was a false story planted in the press. Both Clinton and her office have denied the story. Clinton said, late last week, in public that having her name placed in nomination is a crucial step for party unity. </p>
<p>As we analyze this railroad job, we should not forget that that she won the popular vote in the primaries.</p>
<p>You know, I am baffled by fellow Clinton supporters who refuse to back Obama. I cried when Hillary conceded. She should have been the nominee. But if you truly support her vision for America, you would be crazy to vote for John McCain. McCain is nothing but a flip-flopping, intellectually uncurious and dishonest politician who inspires fear and ignorance instead of hope. The John McCain of 8 years ago was one thing. The current McCain is a disgrace. He and Hillary disagree on nearly everything of any substance. Obama is green, yes, but he and Hillary share very similiar views and I am sure that she will have a place in his administration.</p>
<p>It’s a hard thing to swallow when your candidate loses. But voting for McCain would be like cutting off your nose to spite your own face.</p>
<p>“But voting for McCain would be like cutting off your nose to spite your own face.”</p>
<p>Not really. We can wait till 2012. Yes on paper Obama looks very similar to Clinton. However, if you examine his scant record, his association with people and his extreme liberal advisers and dirty way he has been running the campaign since NH loss, the picture I see is that of a ruthless, egomaniac and man of no values and no consistent stand on any important issues.</p>
<p>This is no small statement…This ***<strong><em>bag is *</em>the worst</strong> candidate from any party in the last few centuries.</p>
<p>Depends on your goals and objectives. I see no conceivable way that the bankrupt, corrupt Democratic Party will ever address issues of importance to me. Thus, the biggest contribution I can make is to send a message to the Howard Deans, Donna Brazilles, Nancy Pelosis, and John “Liveshot” Kerrys holding the party hostage - vote them out of office.</p>
<p>The way I see it. If the Democrats blow this election, set up for the taking, there will be no conceivable chance of of the party, as currently configured as a coalition that thinks it doesn’t need working-class moderate white voters or women, ever winning the White House. The party would be blown up.</p>
<p>I don’t honestly care who is elected President. I may vote for Nader. I may vote for McCain. My vote, in every race, up and down the ticket, will be predicated on doing as much damage to the status quo of the Democratic Party as possible, with a specific goal of punishing SuperDelegates who ignored the overwhelming preferece of the voters in my state. In my case, that includes voting against John Kerry for the Senate and against Tierney in the House race. African American Democratic officials were threatened with defeat at the polls if they did not march in lockstep with the racial block. Two can play that game.</p>
<p>As for McCain, he’s a stand-up guy who has repeatedly taken positions based on principle even though they hurt him in his own party. He’s served his country as a true hero. And, while he is far from ideal on the issues, he is the closest available option in this particular election to a bi-partisan centrist as evidenced by McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, and the Gang of Fourteen – all of which were the kinds of initiatives I believe benefit our political process.</p>
<p>Beyond that, he has the experience and gravitas to be commander in chief during wartime, a threshold the Democratic Candidate falls laughably short of crossing.</p>
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<p>According to the new national poll by the Washington Post, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University, Obama has the working class moderate voters, ID. </p>
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<p>It’s just one poll, I’ll admit, but I don’t think one can “know” that the white working class voters won’t be on the Dem side this time around.</p>
<p>I really wish I could see McCain as you do, ID. I see him as changing his srtrpes to suit the corporate Bush administration in order to be elected. Nowthat they are backing him, he belongs to them.</p>
<p>And Obama has plenty of gravitas to lead this country.
I guess it all depends on where one wants to be led.</p>
<p>Hillary supporters need to support McCain so she will win in 2012.</p>
<p>She is stronger than McCain and Obama.</p>
<p>Oh, great idea, Democrats. Lets all vote for the REPUBLICAN this year so we can have another chance in 2012! :eek:</p>
<p>^If McCain is as bad as the posters seem to think, beating him out in 2012 shouldn’t be very difficult.</p>
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<p>Some stand-up who refers to his wife as a c…t.</p>
<p>“McCain: racist, bigot, homophobe”
[McCain:</a> racist, bigot & homophobe | Capitol Hill Blue](<a href=“http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/10086]McCain:”>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/10086)</p>
<p>Yeah, some standup guy!</p>
<p>A serious question. What will you Democrats do if your party manages to blow this election…which is laid at your feet for the taking since McCain seems incapable of getting out of his own way (a patented Democratic trait). Will you continue to blame a corrupt system or admit that your party is broken and it needs to be fixed? The DNC will have reached new heights of ineptitude if they blow this one.</p>
<p>So you all are willing to submit our country to another 4 years of mismanagement to make a point and hope that Clinton can be elected in 2012? Seems like you <em>really</em> aren’t taking our country’s problems seriously enough.</p>
<p>Problem is there’s no guarantee either one of them will do the right things. Most of the right things require an act of congress and we see how that goes.</p>
<p>I’ll place my trust with someone I know to be safe then someone who continues to straddle the fence while moving it at the same time!</p>
<p>Bob Barr? Ralph Nader?
I mean… other than that I think your choice is between two “fence straddlers”… one of whom I think tends to make decisions mostly based on emotion and is known to have a quick temper, and the other who approaches problem intellectually and is known to invite calm discussion of multiple viewpoints.</p>
<p>I “hear” you in your post 32, pmrlcomm! I definitely agree that my party manages to self-destruct often.</p>
<p>I’m with simba and Id. I’m going to NOT vote for Obama and his stunt with Florida and Michigan has got me in a mood to teach some democratic candidates up and down the ballot a lesson.Oh wait I’ve voted democratic for 30 years and I loathe Pat Roberts. Oh well such a dilemma. Of course that won’t matter because Obama’s gonna win Kansas, right? What with his grandparents coming from the land of Dorothy and all and our wonderful governor’s high praise of Obama.</p>
<p>These little calls for us to think about what shape the country will be in if McCain is elected are very interesting. I know what shape the democratic party is in (what with Obama literally taking over the dnc). That’s a change we can believe in- yessiree. Anybody here know how I can stop receiving emails from Obama and his minions? I send the code in to be taken off all their lists and they just can’t seem to quit me.</p>
<p>All I can say is that since taking over Congress the Democratic Party has failed miserably. Where is all the change we were promised? Thus far the Democrats have disappointed. I didn’t like most of the changes but the least they could have done was, I don’t know, something!</p>
<p>Barrack “Have it Both Ways” Obama is showing the behaviors that are consistent with his ‘Present’ votes in IL.</p>