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<p>Neighborhood gossip. But I suspect this women would have done anything to get her where she is today. While HIPAA privacy laws will not allow health care providers to comment without patient consent, if she received care in the US, I suspect that as a result of investigations there will be a response from those involved or their lawyers. And some of that will be in the public record. The truth will come out.</p>
<p>from the UK times article</p>
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<p>One thing is for sure: She is not on her parents’ insurance. At age 33, unless she’s disabled or handicapped, no insurance company would permit that.</p>
<p>So apparently she is planning a career as a tv parenting expert.</p>
<p>Anyone can make a baby. Or 14. That doesn’t make her a parenting expert. Far from it.</p>
<p>^True… I’ve been able to make a baby for like 10 years or so now… doesn’t mean I’m in any way qualified to be a dad.</p>
<p>It is true that embryos implanted can sometimes divide afterwards. I know of a set of in vitro quadruplets - two were implanted and a single egg divided into three.</p>
<p>Wow, I am slowly getting caught up with all the posts, but wanted to share one view:
I have a strong impression that child protection services will be stepping in soon, very soon.</p>
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<p>She earned a BA in child development. And she was working on her masters degree in…wait for it…counseling. </p>
<p>Of course!</p>
<p>I believe it was an LA paper that reported that she worked as a Psychiatric Tech, (and held this CA license), and went out on workman’s comp. It was then she started her family and her schooling. Interesting that one can be considered unable to perform the duties of their job, but can then go on the get a BA and have 6 kids, and then add 8 more at one fell swoop. You could not write a fictional script of this story–no one would consider it believable. That is until it is a reality TV show. </p>
<p>Yeah, right, a TV parenting expert… Thing is, some cable channel will pay her to do JUST THAT.</p>
<p>14 kids and almost two degrees. Producers are foaming at the mouth.</p>
<p>I just hope, for the sake of her children, that she has a good agent so they aren’t all starving to death. Not that I wish success upon this moronic woman, mind you, but I mean in terms of making best of a tragic situation she has created for her family.</p>
<p>They need an agent who can navigate and negotiate the press exposure, books, appearances and branding. So far they seem to be going about it the wrong way- grandma shares too much, grandpa gets mad at the press, too many bad details are coming out that are not offset by anything remotely sympathetic. Someone needs to start attempting to turn the public opinion around (if it’s remotely possible- maybe it’s not). She is NOT a sympathetic figure. </p>
<p>With the degree of disgust and outrage from all corners, it will make for some temporary gains in the tabloids or a TV appearance but it sure isn’t going to help with donations, future product endorsements or anything enduring. Then again, what do I know?</p>
<p>Then again, maybe she can be one of those TV people that viewers love to hate. That seems to be a theme that works for reality TV, no? </p>
<p>I mean, does anyone actually like Nancy Grace? And why is Jon & Kate so popular despite so much dislike for Kate and the whole concept of exploiting your kids on TV?</p>
<p>She could sell the naming rights, and to dovetail with another thread about names, we’d have little Pepsi, Coke, Marlboro, Budweiser, Viagra, Hyundai, Fox and another Apple.</p>
<p>^Oooh, you are good Cartera! See YOU could be an agent!</p>
<p>Ditto. to each his own, but…</p>
<p>I think that woman needs more than money. No single mother can care for 14 children under the age of 7. They need to be taken away from her.</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, I went looking for information on previous mega-multiples. The McCaugheys seem to be doing it just right. They refuse most requests for interviews and were turned off in the beginning by all the speculation by reporters who never bothered to contact them. All 7 babies survive, but two of them are affected by cerebral palsy. I believe they just turned 11. Then I remembered the woman in Texas who previously had octuplets. One died shortly after birth. According to their website, the 7 remaining kids seem to be doing well. I was amazed at the birth weights because at least 3 of them (including the one that died) weighed 16 oz. or less. Incredible. Those children are 9 or 10.</p>
<p>I skipped a few pages, so this article may have already been noted, but its one I found one physician forum;</p>
<p>Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids
By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON, Associated Press Writer Raquel Maria Dillon, Associated Press Writer</p>
<p>LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.</p>
<p>Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.</p>
<p>“It can’t go on any longer,” she said in a phone interview Friday. “She’s got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn’t want to get married.”</p>
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<p>"One discussion on "Refusal to Treat Patients for Reasons of Conscience” described a physician being found liable by California’s state supreme court for refusing to perform infertility treatment on unmarried women regardless of their sexual orientation.</p>
<p>Almost all of us see the craziness of this woman having 8 embryos implanted. But with California law, this doctor can claim he had no choice, regardless of his personal belief, he is required to provide any legal treatment that a patient requests. It would be discrimination to refuse infertility care just because the patient has other children or is a single mom."</p>
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<p>What constitutes “legal treatment”? You’re the doctor Shrinkrap. </p>
<p>I’m neither a lawyer nor a doctor, but surely a doctor can refuse treatment that would is likely to pose a undue risk or danger to the mother and/or fetuses, no? That seems quite separate from refusing treatment for other reasons, such as judgements about the woman’s lifestyle.</p>
<p>I actually do not think doctors should be deciding if someone should or should not be a parent. Its out of their domain of expertise and full of value judgements that are not medial ones. But I do see a problem with a doctor implanting eight embroys given the known risks to mom and babies. That aspect is a medical call and one I think doctors have to make all the time and the rest of us can not.</p>
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<p>The ruling stemmed from a lawsuit by a San Diego woman who contended that Christian doctors at a clinic told her they could not help her become pregnant because their religion condemned having children outside of opposite-sex marriages.</p>
<p>I can’t believe that a fertility doctor would use this case as a reason why he was forced to impregnate a woman with 8 embryos!</p>