Off-Topic Discussion from "Colleges Crossed Off List or Moved Up After Visiting"

St. Joe’s was a beautiful campus! We also had great tour guides and saw so much. My daughter really liked it also, but it was a bit too small for her and she was not a fan of the traditional style residence halls. I will add that from a traditional hall perspective, the one we saw was vey nice!

They are currently building a new dorm and an underpass to get from one side of the campus to the other. There is a main street that intersects the campus and you have to wait for a light at a major intersection to cross.

They have also recently acquired another college so I would say that their financial outlook is good. That is something that I do worry about at smaller private schools.

We did also find out that there is a foreign language requirement for 2 semesters (if that is something you or your child cares about). One religion and one philosophy req as well.

Overall very nice school!

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Congrats on Temple! My daughter really liked it too. We also visited in the summer but unfortunately live too far away to visit again before making a decision. Nice to hear about your experience when school is in session.

I tried to get my daughter to apply to St Joe’s. I don’t know why we didn’t tour it when we saw Temple and Drexel. Have heard a lot of good things about it as well.

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I was an international studies major at Hopkins, and have to correct some misinformation here. Undergraduate international studies is based at the main Baltimore campus, there is no commuting. Usually a few graduate professors will teach at the Baltimore campus on a guest basis each semester. If students are interested in the five year ba/ma program, they may spend some of their time living in DC where the graduate international studies program is based, for the most part, no one is commuting between the campuses.

I also disagree with your comments about safety and “gates everywhere,” but since that is more opinion based, not going to get into it here other than to say Hopkins undergrad is surrounding by mostly high end residential neighborhoods, and crime wasn’t an issue in the four years I spent there.

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We visited in April, 2022; we live in the PNW and S23 is happily at Whitman now, a choice that was boosted by its close proximity to us (around a 4+ hour drive), and the robust Whitman alumni network in the PNW. So the ease of getting back and forth, the future networking opportunities, and Whitman also being terrific ultimately took St. Olaf off the table for S23 (especially as he wants to stay in the PNW after graduation). If Olaf was in the PNW? For him it would have been very tough to decide between the two schools.

We both appreciated Olaf tremendously, met great folks there, and I could see my student thriving at the college and happy in Northfield along with Carleton there, too; I tell people all the time to put Olaf on their list!

We went into this trip with S23 excited to visit Carleton (his #1 choice), and lukewarm on visiting St. Olaf and Macalester but thought it would be a good idea to visit both since they were close by. Presenting in the order we visited:

St. Olaf: WOW. We had a terrific guide who was engaging, thoughtful, and took the time to reflect and answer all of our questions as we walked. They spoke about different students’ experiences and perspectives in addition to their own. When S and I had a question about Great Conversations and the role of religion at Olaf while we were coming to the end of our time, he offered to stay and wait for us to finish our final information session so that we could chat further.

Campus was terrific, and we were visiting on an absolutely frigid day (an unseasonable storm was blowing through), and from a Mom perspective I noticed how every building we entered and walked through was full of natural light from the large windows (and two and three story windows were quite common in many buildings). There were nooks to gather in nearly every building to study or chat in front of windows, and I felt that if I was stuck inside in a freezing Midwest winter, I wouldn’t be stuck inside dim rooms - the natural light indoors was a tonic.

Perhaps a small thing, but as we went through the dining hall our guide explained that backpacks are left outside the hall as the expectation is that students eat and talk together, not do their work during meals. And when we came back through to eat lunch in the dining hall later we certainly saw that: 95% of the kids were deep in conversation, chatting and laughing and there wasn’t a laptop in sight.

My kid really enjoyed St. Olaf and could see themselves in that community.

  • Adding a bit of clarifying info to this as someone asked me about it later:

When S and I had a question about Great Conversations and the role of religion at Olaf while we were coming to the end of our time, he offered to stay and wait for us to finish our final information session so that we could chat further.

We are not religious ourselves, and while I had read a great deal about how ~45% of students at Olaf are not affiliated with any religion, it was important to me to both suss out if there was any sort of social division between students who are religious and those that aren’t, and while I knew (on paper) that the branch of Lutherans at Olaf was one that had both women and LGBT pastors, I wanted to ensure that there wasn’t any quiet bigotry. We are not anti-religion! But we will not financially support any institution e.g. in which their religion “tolerates” LGBT folks or reproductive health care, but also says those people are going to hell.

Our tour guide was gay (and not religious), and thanked me for asking the question about bigotry and “tolerance,” and we went on to have a really lovely and detailed conversation about faith and religion at Olaf and I left our discussion confident that Olaf would be a terrific place for my student.

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One big issue with St. Joe’s is the no housing for juniors and seniors. And for as much as everyone loves living off campus, a student either needs a car to live in a safer area or lives in walking distance in a not so nice neighborhood. But I think its a very nice campus and the professors seem to be really good.

Besides foreign language, theology and philosophy, there are loads of other requirements like science, English, history…

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Just wanted to confirm that SAIS (The graduate school for International Relations for Johns Hopkins) is in DC but it is only the graduate school. Undergrads do not commute. SAIS students just stay in DC and don’t commute to Baltimore.

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My son is in his second year at TCU and loves it.

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Amtrak stops in Rochester.

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Adding to @Aimlesscat1 note that Amtrak stops in Rochester - There is also a bus service that operates during breaks that picks up at locations on the RIT campus and brings kids to several locations called My Bus Home. It was started by a woman who had children in college (PA I think) that lacked transportation. It grew to include several schools and destinations. My D took it home most school breaks. Looking at your list of schools I’m guessing you may be from NJ or environs. We picked D up in Bridgewater but I think there are also stops in the PA suburbs.

My D is a 2019 RIT grad and LOVED the school. She was an Industrial Design major and loved the mix of students. If you’re looking for a big city feel RIT doesn’t have it but Rochester proper (which to me doesn’t doesn’t have a big city feel) isn’t hard to get to as there is a pretty good bus system. Basic big box stores are on the local bus route as well. D didn’t have a car util she moved off campus her junior year but always managed.

Best wishes in your process. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

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This is fantastic information, thank you.

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@Izzy74

Miami moved way up on our list after our tours, but my seniors both fell asleep during the retired professor’s presentation. lolol I was mortified, especially since there was only one other student in the room. Then they perked up and asked questions when he walked us around the building. My kids were originally turned off by the drive through cornfields, but between the school of arts private tour and farmer tour it moved really far up for one and now we’ll be attending an admitted students day next month. This time I’m going to make sure we check out the town so my senior can see it’s not just cornfields. And pump her full of caffeine before we get there.

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Admitted student day at Miami was great and probably the best one we went to. Lots of enthusiasm and very well organized. My son ultimately chose a different school at the last minute but Miami was #1 for awhile. Definitely check out the downtown, esp on a weekend night, it’s quite lively. There is also a Walmart, a Tj maxx and a few other stores in the town.

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Thanks for the tips! Do you mind sharing where your student ended up and how they are doing? Any thoughts on the decision process and why he ultimately didn’t choose Miami? I think narrowing down the choices will be difficult.

Ended up at University of Denver. It was a really tough decision. He just loved the campus, the outdoor activities and ultimately I think a smaller school was better for him (esp since he likes to wake up 10 minutes before class starts). He met a lot of kids at Denver on our visit that he just really clicked with. He loves it there. We are from MA so both schools were far away. One of his best friends is at Miami and having a great experience.

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D23 was accepted Miami Ohio Honors College and awesome merit package. We visited last February to Make it Miami Day from South Florida.
She loved the campus, the admitted students day presentation was great. Biology Major, Pre Med. She visited with Biology Professors and was taken into labs.
The Hockey team had a home game while we were there and we went and she enjoyed it as well. The town of Oxford has a nice little downtown.
We also visited Ohio State she did not like at all. The death nail for her was the homeless guy screaming incoherently outside the student union and the students just walking on by him like this was normal
Ultimately she stayed in State at University of Florida which was her first choice.
However, if not accepted to UF. She would be at Miami.

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Unhoused people and those suffering from mental illness are everywhere. Them walking by him without fear tells me they may know he is harmless.

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I agree. I also think it is more prevalent in college towns with a large number of rentals and a transient student population.

We didn’t see any homeless when we toured OSU, but I’m not surprised to hear about this. When we visited Indiana Bloomington we saw a lot of homeless wandering around with tents set up in corner parks. I wasn’t expecting that in what I consider a fairly rural location.

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I attended UCSB in the 80s and we had a decent number of homeless people in Isla Vista. Students affectionally named one of the local homeless men “The Mayor.”

I went to Berkeley for grad school and there were many more homeless people there. When I first arrived at Berkeley, the homeless people, the dirty streets, and the people handing out flyers on the corners really bothered me. Eventually I got used to it and, just like the students at Ohio State learned to walk past all of it and ignored it. Again, this was 35-40 years ago.

I knew my oldest wouldn’t like Berkeley for that reason. My second was okay with a very urban setting. However she was taken aback when an obviously mentally ill homeless person walked into a pizza place and started yelling at the cashier. She attends USC which has its own issues, but she is still taken aback by the homeless people when she visits friends at Berkeley.

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The word “homeless” is an adjective, like the word “female”. Don’t forget to follow it with a noun :slightly_smiling_face:

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