<p>In view of these facts, the temps, JD or no JD, were in the wrong. Those who crashed the party should be called out and penalized.
What were they thinking??? Did unemployment enter their minds?</p>
<p>Zoosermom, what did the firm do about this?</p>
<p>zoosermom-re: your post #160
That’s why I suggested that some posters take the time to READ your posts. (post #135) You have been very clear that this was NOT the holiday party and that the holiday party was off-site and for everyone. Really, very clear. Sheesh, people. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Cbreeze, it was a loud confrontation at the time, but I am not in a position to know what was said or done. However, I do know that they were going to be on the practice floors after the move, but that has now been walked back to undecided. It is very common to house document reviewers at less expensive locations than the home office, so that is a real possibility and not a desirable outcome for them.</p>
<p>ZM has been very forthcoming about updating with posts of info, not opinion.</p>
<p>Some others aren’t reading back before posting. If you all give me a moment, I’ll copy sweep all ZM’s posts and put them together here.</p>
<p>I was one who did not see the posts that were not in the OP…that mentioned the actual company holiday party.</p>
<p>The issue is the very poor manners these temporary workers displayed. Given that they were included in other company events, it is even more appalling that they would exhibit such rude behavior.</p>
<p>I still say…the management of zoosermom’s company needs to discuss this with the temp firm. They need to know that their temps are exhibiting very unacceptable behavior in the workplace. VERY unacceptable.</p>
<p>Thanks to ZM for remaining so involved and updating throughout this thread. It makes for a better thread than just posting an OP and then silence.</p>
<p>To avoid repeating the same territory, either scan the thread for ZM’s name and reread posts, or, more specifically, here’s the list of ZM’s posts, which are short and succinct.</p>
<h1>1,3,7,11,15,17,20,23,27,31,37,39,44,45,48,49,53,55,59,64,66,71,80,83,99,119,122,125,127,134,141,150,155,156,160,163.</h1>
<p>She’s provided us pertinent information. Let’s not go in circles by asking her to re-answer what she already so generously provided.</p>
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<p>So, if those temps were high school drop outs, this would be more acceptable? Why does it matter if these temps have JD? In the end they perform a job that does not require one. Some might even argue that they displace paralegals who could have been gainfully employed doing coding. But I digrace. </p>
<p>I am in minority here, but to me it doesn’t matter what kind of party it was. Even if it was THE Holiday party, the temps are not owed the invite. My philosophy in general is that no one owes me anything. I can then be pleasantly surprised if someone goes above and beyond what I expect (and I expect nothing). This kindof thinking serves me well in life.</p>
<p>I also would like to point out that as an hourly employee I would not want to be invited to during office hours party. My time is more valuable to me in hourly wages than the food I eat at the party. I am not a lawyer, but I believe the temps would not have been able to charge for their time if they were invited to the party.</p>
<p>I’m with you, lerkin.</p>
<p>I’m wondering about the work that these temp attorneys are doing. I’m not sure what is meant by “coding documents,” but I assume that these are confidential legal documents. Is there any concern that these folks, who have shown themselves to be immature and boorish, may not be mature enough to take the confidentiality seriously?</p>
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<p>Good grief, how many times does the OP have to say this?</p>
<p>I am also not into office parties. I usually go under duress. I remember there were few years when time were hard and we were asked to pay for our own holiday parties. I told my manager that I wouldn’t pay for an office party. This was at an investment bank.</p>
<p>I don’t think they would do anything to sabotage the documents because they would never be hired again and they need their jobs.</p>
<p>I don’t care for office parties either. I politely declined our party recently, but it was re-scheduled due to an ice storm. Now I have to come up with another excuse. :o</p>
<p>I like company parties. Our Christmas party is really nice- and fun. It is fun to meet spouses and visit with people in a social setting. I like introducing my husband to my co-workers. Our company has somewhat of a unique culture due to what we do, and it’s a neat group of people, for the most part. It’s a large company, but the party is for those of us in the corporate offices, which is about 800 employees plus ones. Probably about 600 or more employees attend.</p>
<p>I have worked contract for many years and even started the very good job I have now as contract. This is quite normal. They are not employees of the company they are employees of the contract house. The issue should be taken up with the contract house. I assure you there are droves of unemployed grunt attorneys that can replace the rabble rousers. They were likely doing a large electronic discovery document review - quite common to hire 300 temp attorneys and then can them when the case is complete. Wash rinse repeat. Odd thing to have them crash a company Christmas party…</p>
<p>Our company is a bit different in that we hire “contract to hire” so we treat you like a full employee from the start in every way we are allowed to. The company holiday party is held during the work day and is a traveling lunch so all are invited. The only thing a contract employee can’t do is travel on the company’s dime and attend training but they know that’s coming. 300 attorneys in a room = a large ediscovery coding project. Yes they DO have to be attorneys and can’t be paralegals.</p>
<p>^^^The OP has stated several times that they do also have contract employees, but the particular people being discussed are employees from a temp agency, NOT contract employees.</p>
<p>It’s the same thing. They are working on the premises for some other company not the OP’s company but doing work for the OP’s company. We call them contract employees, temp employees, independent contractors. All the same meaning. Quit trying to correct everyone I read the post.</p>
<p>Yes I would be concerned about the maturity of attorneys who crash a company party with the intent to raise a ruckus.</p>
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No, they are not the same thing in my firm. There are contract attorneys who are contracted BY THE FIRM. They have private offices, secretaries and access to all of the firm’s computer systems and files. They have telephone extensions in the company directory.</p>
<p>Then there are temporary attorneys who are contracted through an agency. They are housed in crowded conditions in rooms with computers that are not connected to the firm’s networks and do not have access to the firm’s telephone system.</p>