<p>[Office</a> of Undergraduate Admissions: Application Review](<a href=“http://www.admissions.umich.edu/prospective/prospectivefreshmen/eval_procedure.php]Office”>http://www.admissions.umich.edu/prospective/prospectivefreshmen/eval_procedure.php)</p>
<p>read then click on the pdf file… that should tell you all you need to know.</p>
<p>I am impressed by the openness of the U Mich admissions process. much better than… every other school i am applying to.</p>
<p>gopadub…have you not heard back yet?</p>
<p>haha yea excuse my mistakes I am typing on my phone and … umm i think it will be more of a shadow and i think i can get it cuz my dad went to wharton and knows tons of MDs and directors in JPM and Goldman sachs on the street … yea i agree internships are ment for the top softmores, juniors… but if i get this even so called shadow its a step of networking to help me look for internships and i think that might be a step in ball park of an internship in my early college years… But thanks for your concern!!</p>
<p>agains…@wolverinemom</p>
<p>holistic admissions.</p>
<p>Everything is reviewed and taken into consideration. I won’t even dispute the fact that language is probably weighed heavily by michigan because you’re so adamant about it, though my guess would be that it’s no more reviewed then any other core subject. </p>
<p>My intention was not to discuss the nature of how they review applications, as us students have generally had the concept that everything is taken into consideration pounded into our brains for years now. I truthfully have no idea why certain kids got deferred with such high grades, and yes i’ve looked at the rubric…it appears to be somewhat of a template used by all of the top universities.</p>
<p>@wolverinemom yes i did actully thursday= deferred so now i must wait and pray lol</p>
<p>one hopes to find better discussions on CC than the qualifications of two 18 year olds… oh wait, what am i saying, that is precisely what CC is all about XD</p>
<p>Best of luck to you Gopadub!</p>
<p>haha i am assuming he is just joking with the XD lol</p>
<p>i am still extremely unwilling to submit my application :P</p>
<p>wolverine mom which is it? you misspoke and they dont consider language that much or you need 4 years to get in? youv said both in like 4 posts. and i cant believe a parent would call a teenager a db. in the words of rich rod, “get a life,” or get some help.</p>
<p>^hahahaha I know right it’s ridic that a parent would call a teen a db.</p>
<p>btw, i dont care how many years of spanish someone took, when i have a higher gpa, better recs, and better test scores i shouldnt be deferred. **** affirmative action</p>
<p>Wow! I’ve been reading back on numerous pages to catch up on what this big fight is all about. Whether or not wolverinemom is accurate about the 4 years of foreign language is really not the point. It is the unbelievable cruel and immature manner in which she is communicating with a bunch of kids. On behalf of all parents, I’m embarrassed. Best of luck to all of you! It does not make sense to me at all how they are making their choices, some amazing kids are being deferred. My daughters bf got in, with 3 yrs language by the way, and I am so happy for him, but a lot of you have better stats who have been deferred. Doesn’t make sense.</p>
<p>Damn, all the arrogant ass people on here. You don’t need 4 years to get in. I’m sure if two students had the exact same stats but one had 3 years and the other had 4 they’d lean toward the 4. But they are not going to throw your app to the side because you do no have 4. </p>
<p>Also, if you applied to engineering, don’t listen to any of this. Who gives a **** if you took 4 years vs 3. Who gives a **** about your essays. It’s engineering.</p>
<p>Also, if you have good stats and get defered don’t be all “I’m so fricken amazing and Umich rejected me! ME! That’s IMPOSSIBLE” First of all they accepted way too many kids last year and they are making sure to not do that again. One of the best ways to do that is to not dip into the EA pool and accept too many people too soon. Pick out the cream of the crop first, then wait til you get all the EAs and RDs together and begin selecting. That way you do not accept too many.</p>
<p>You know, folks, I actually believe WolverineMom was actually trying to help you understand the variables when she posted about language, and that equally rude or irrational responses may not have brought out the best in her – adults get just as frustrated as deferred students – by this age and intellectual stature you should all welcome vigorous debate and not expect special treatment at the hands of adults, IMHO, so for those flaming her, please get over yourselves. She gave you valuable insider info that I am betting can be corroborated. As will I.</p>
<p>Like MLDWoody said, in some cases the # years language is germane, in others, it’s not. My son was admitted with only 2 yrs. language, but he’s in a degree program that does NOT have a language requirement (music), whereas all of LSA requires 4 units of language unless you test out. When push comes to shove, it could make a difference where all else is equal.</p>
<p>So, enough nastiness. Massgirl, I think, was kind enough to post the link for all to see, but to understand the variables of your assessments, below I’ve pasted in the criteria.</p>
<p>As you should be able to determine, the stats alone – while most definitely forming a baseline for acceptance – are certainly not dominant. So consider that excellent stats are the prereq for consideration, then add the other factors, that are evident via essays and especially recommendations. There are two variable you might not have enough information about – UM’s opinion of the quality of education at your school, and UM’s interpretation of your teacher and counsellor recommendations. Each of these can make a big difference on how your stats and accomplishments are viewed.</p>
<p>Many of you may not have seen your recommendations. I have seen a few in my day. If a teacher says “student has passion for learning irrespective of grades” vs. “student very concerned about standing” for example, that tells adcom quite a tale (eg. they have to ask themselves who performs out of passion versus who performs for status…the authentic learners are the ones who will ultimately bring innovation to campus). At any rate, since just about everyone I’ve seen here deferred is an outstanding student academically (and again, MANY of you will still get in) I can see where it would be difficult for adcoms to make the necessary distinction without the qualitative factors listed below – this list is the evaluation sheet readers use to score an applicant an admit, high admit, decline and so on:</p>
<p>Secondary School Academic Performance Comments: Overall:
<p>Educational Environment Comments: Overall:
<p>Counselor and Teacher Recommendations Comments: Overall:
<p>Personal Background Comments:
<p>Evaluative Measures Comments:
<p>I have some interesting news. It turns out that there are at least two different deferral emails.</p>
<p>This is what I received:
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<p>This is what my friend received:
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<p>I think the first one is more optimistic.</p>
<p>Hmmm… Interesting. I can’t believe a school as big as UM would send out two different deferral emails. BTW, my OS kid still hasn’t heard yet! Sad thing, she thought UM was a safety school based on acceptance rates. We had no idea that it was one of THE most selective public schools in the country when she applied! Just heard it was an excellent research school which fit her critera. Wow, any suggestions on other “safety” schools that are still very good that she might apply to? LOL… Especially since we haven’t seen any more acceptances in a long while…</p>
<p>im not sure why they would send out two…thats weird. what day did your friend get the second one?</p>
<p>I got mine on Monday, he got his on Thursday.</p>
<p>kmckrindle, Thank you for posting. I thought what you had to say and share was excellent.</p>