<p>My kids would think the people who composed the cancellation statement were morons. Plenty of white people are in prison. But I guess they must be there because they deserve it, as opposed to the “black and brown children” who are there just because of the color of their skin.</p>
<p>And for once, I agree with cobrat. Maybe they should have made it like a rich guy prison, it would have been just fine.
Make it an upper crust event, where you buy your way out.</p>
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That is a mischaracterization. Plenty of non-whites are in prison getting exactly what they observe. There are certainly some whites who got screwed somewhere along the line and are eating a sentence they don’t deserve. Hardly any are completely innocent and that is widely acknowledged, but that doesn’t mean that the system cannot be skewed - in fact, I believe the bulk of academic studies show such an imbalance.</p>
<p>Regardless, this kind of thing is always going to depend a lot on the details and the environment, and right now the environment is police killing black people which is drawing attention to racial inequity in the justice system. That is a terrible environment to do this.</p>
<p>*People don’t just inadvertently end up in jail because of their race & class *</p>
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<p><a href=“Know Your Rights: What to Do if You Have a Disability and Are Questioned by Police - Innocence Project”>http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/</a></p>
<p>“I wouldn’t have run this either. If the fundraiser is successful (I suspect it would be - kids usually hate those uniforms) then the poor kids would stand out as being the only ones in uniform. Might as well force them to walk around all day wearing an “I’m so poor I can’t afford $3” sign around their neck.”</p>
<p>Well, no. My Catholic HS did these all the time. I participated more often than not. As did most people. But if someone didn’t, it was just as likely to be a case of forgetting about it as it was not having the money. And I say this as someone who had much less money than most of my HS classmates.</p>
<p>It was obvious that I was relatively poor when I had to bargain-hunt for a Homecoming dress, or when lots of other people went skiing over spring break, or when they had cars and I didn’t. Whether or not I participated in a free dress day, not so much.</p>
<p>Here’s an example of a seriously inappropriate event. When I was a teenager and in Drum and Bugle Corps, the instructors decided they were going to “sell” the girls to the boys for a day. I don’t know what they were planning on doing with the money. I can’t imagine they raised much, because most of the kids were lower middle class, and pretty broke. Even then, it seemed really, really creepy.</p>
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<p>“Might as well force them to walk around all day wearing an “I’m so poor I can’t afford $3” sign around their neck.”</p>
<p>^^I think it is quite plausible that the sign says “I do not care about this fundraiser.” No matter how great the brownies at a bake sale look, I will not buy them if the cause is not something I care about.</p>
<p>You know PC has reached a whole new level when freshmen at a Christian U start questioning that the trees the school put up might offend someone…</p>
<p>There’s no sign. Everyone doesn’t participate in everything and no-one cares. And, even the low income kids can usually find 3 dollars but really this is an imaginary stigma for the most part and it just doesn’t exist in any world I have ever lived in and one of my children went to a school with 95-percent of the students on free lunch so I do think I know something about these kids. They don’t have this hang up and the smart ones by high school are getting part-time jobs.</p>
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If you guys had experience with it working well, that’s great, but I personally wouldn’t endorse it - I don’t know school uniforms but my wife was a teacher and she had a lot of morale problems with poor kids having it rubbed in their faces. Maybe her experience was with unusually thin-skinned kids but I would simply rather not do it, I would rather find some other idea.</p>
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Yeah, that’s a whole lot worse. Sounds more like the start of a porn movie than an actual school fundraiser.</p>
<p>I agree. It was very unpleasant, particularly since I was one of the “slaves”. It was not a school fundraiser in any way, as it was not connected with any school, and we were all out of state, on a trip. It was a private event, and I don’t think they were trying to give us a lesson in compassion. I think many things that went on decades ago were far more inappropriate than things going on today. People are hypersensitive, nowadays. Maybe that’s a good thing, maybe not, it depends.</p>
<p>OMG, bus. That was simply terrible.</p>
<p>We’ve come a long way from that, Bunsen. Things that people could get away with in the old days, they’d be prosecuted for or at least fired for, now. People are far more careful.</p>
<p>I don’t know if Bill Cosby could get away with all the things he did decades ago, today. I really doubt it.</p>
<p>Having sent for kids to uniform schools since kindergarten, I didn’t mind so much the cost related to dress down days but to the almost necessity of having to participate. In elementary and middle school the peer pressure is there if you were the only kid who wore a uniform on those days. You can get away with it once but not all the time. Also, in middle school, kids who were known to be very disorganized tended to forget dress down which provided another scene to exemplify this.</p>
<p>I learned really quick to participate in dress down days when my first child was in first grade and they had a dress down option to buy a ten dollar t-shirt for the day’s event. I didn’t think she needed one and we were pretty poor at the time, so I didn’t buy one. She was the only one in the class wearing her gym uniform shirt. I have a picture to remember the awkward ness she told me about when she came home from school that day. I’ve spent lots of money on dress down days ever since lol.</p>
<p>In the end not that big of a deal, but I would rather have more discreet choice in what fundraisers choose to participate in…a bake sale, a Christmas shop, etc. </p>
<p>^so it’s not just the $3, it’s having something non-uniform to wear, and perhaps setting up the exact sort of dress “competition” among students the uniform is supposed to prevent. I never thought about that. Thank you for explaining.</p>
<p>Apparently its ok to be outraged, but its not ok to be outraged by the outrage.</p>
<p>I agree. I still think this is overreaction. I swear, you can hardly eat a taco on a campus these days without someone claiming that their cultural markers are being reappropriated. </p>
<p>I think we should claim the same about bagels.</p>
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<p>No, Cobrat, I don’t believe it would occur to anyone but you to frame it that way. Not to say it wouldn’t be offensive to some, but come on. </p>