Ohio State University... Nice Campus?

Sparkeye7 · November 18, 2009, 4:21pm

^^^ rjk, I must say that your inputs are intriguing and that I already know the facts that you mentioned. My focus was really on the economical front of Detroit and how the city should find ways to reinvent itself (thereby creating more jobs!) and perhaps turn into a smaller scale downtown Chicago (Mag mile / Millenium park / Navy Pier) where the it feels vibrant and safer at night (of course we all know south side of Chicago is just as crime-ridden as downtown Detroit). So that people of metro Detroit would be willing to spend more time at night around the neighborhood of Cobo Center rather than fear for their lives. And people from the affluent metro cities of Detroit could come into downtown with their luxury vehicles at night for more live entertainments besides limos to the Fox theater / Detroit opera house or valet parking for Tiger/Lions’ games. I can tell you that while at TOSU, I did, in numerous occasions having fun with friends in the middle of the night either walking by the Greater Columbus Convention Center on high street or having sushi at Haiku without much worry of the safety issue. Anyways, Barrons is right! I should stick the topic to TOSU from this point on. My bad :P

P.S. Thanks for correcting my typing errors, rjk. I believe I also misspelled ‘Greektown’ … ;P

rjkofnovi · November 18, 2009, 4:49pm

^^^It’s OK. I have to say I am not looking forward to the game this weekend. I am afraid it’s going to be six in a row for the Buckeyes. :-(

OHKID · November 18, 2009, 4:55pm

^I love Haiku!!! Great spot.

The Short North is awesome!!!

hawkette · November 18, 2009, 5:57pm

I think barrons has got it right. Today Ohio State is probably an average to slightly above average state university. IMO, it’s on the rise under Gee’s leadership, but its size will certainly impede its progress up any rankings.

And while no one will compare its campus to a true beauty like U Virginia, Ohio State and Columbus is certainly not a bad or ugly place. I think that the school (with its huge student population) and the nearby downtown exude a positive energy and the city is home to a well-diversified business community. There’s actually a lot going on in Columbus and its economic prospects are much better than a place like Detroit with its still-heavy emphasis on the auto industry.

However, I think that some of the comments above are a bit strong, particularly the comparisons of the undergraduate education at Ohio State vs. U Michigan. U Michigan often touts itself as a peer to many higher ranked schools. Perhaps within academia and on the impenetrable/unmoving PA scoring, but on real metrics that compare the undergraduate settings of each college, the truth is that U Michigan is probably about as close to those higher ranked peers as Ohio State is to U Michigan.

I chose three Top 20 privates to compare with-Notre Dame, Rice, and Brown. I could’ve chosen any of the Top 20 and come up with similar results.

<pre><code> STUDENT BODY QUALITY
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Median SAT , Median SAT , Median ACT , Accept Rate , College

1410 , 2095 , 32.5 , 26.7% , Notre Dame
1425 , 2120 , 32 , 23.0% , Rice
1430 , 2145 , 30.5 , 13.7% , Brown

1325 , 1970 , 29 , 42.2% , U MICHIGAN
1230 , 1820 , 27.5 , 62.3% , OHIO STATE

<pre><code> STUDENT BODY DEPTH

CR 700+ ,   Math 700+   ,   ACT 30+ ,   College

50% ,   64% ,   88% ,   Notre Dame
53% ,   65% ,   79% ,   Rice
58% ,   66% ,   66% ,   Brown

22% ,   46% ,   44% ,   U MICHIGAN
10% ,   22% ,   25% ,   OHIO STATE


                        SIZE OF THE CLASSROOM

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<20 , >50 , USNWR Faculty Resources Rank , College

55.0% , 9.4% , 20 , Notre Dame
65.4% , 8.1% , 12 , Rice
70.6% , 9.2% , 17 , Brown

45.9% , 17.8% , 74 , U MICHIGAN
35.0% , 18.8% , 103 , OHIO STATE

<pre><code> TEACHING

        S/F Ratio   ,   USNWR Teaching Rank (17 colleges ranked)    ,   College

        12/1    ,   8   ,   Notre Dame
        5/1 ,   11  ,   Rice
        8/1 ,   6   ,   Brown

        15/1    ,   11  ,   U MICHIGAN
        13/1    ,   NA  ,   OHIO STATE


                        INSTITUTIONAL RESOURCES

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% Borrow , Amt of Debt at Graduation , Endowment Per Capita , USNWR Fin’l Resources Rank , College

57% , $29,835 , $541,459 , 42 , Notre Dame
42% , $11,108 , $844,916 , 22 , Rice
44% , $19,390 , $333,977 , 26 , Brown

46% , $25,586 , $181,883 , 37 , U MICHIGAN
56% , $21,413 , $38,368 , 61 , OHIO STATE

<pre><code> STUDENT BODY DIVERSITY

Black   ,   Asian   ,   Hispanic    ,   College

4%  ,   7%  ,   9%  ,   Notre Dame
7%  ,   21% ,   12% ,   Rice
7%  ,   16% ,   9%  ,   Brown

6%  ,   12% ,   4%  ,   U MICHIGAN
7%  ,   5%  ,   3%  ,   OHIO STATE


                        TUITION & FEES 

        OOS ,   Tuition & Fees (OOS for Publics)    ,   College

        92% ,    $38,477    ,   Notre Dame
        45% ,    $31,248    ,   Rice
        95% ,    $38,848    ,   Brown

        35% ,    $34,230    ,   U MICHIGAN OOS
        11% ,    $22,278    ,   OHIO STATE OOS

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Sparkeye7 · November 18, 2009, 6:15pm

One more year of mediocrity, Rich Rod should ‘retire’ alongside Bill Martin imho. Michigan deserves a better coach, period. Big Ten needs Michigan to bounce back as well as the lackluster rivalry in the public eyes. I hated Lloyd Carr when he had MSU / OSU’s number. However, this guy is a true michigan man if not another Bo who ran a top footall program with integrity and character that most michigan and buckeye fans across would be proud of regardless of the record til the time they pass on the torch. R2 on the other hand is a train wreck for the michigan program so far as I am concerned. I’ve been ‘amazed’ by how many negative publicities that this guy generated since day-one of his arrival at the Big House (and you think Gary Moeller was bad…). Oh well, as a Sparkeye, I really should not comment much if at all on our rival besides wish y’all g’Luck on Saturday. Who knows, maybe R2 could pull a '69 stunning upset on the bucks!

UCBChemEGrad · November 18, 2009, 6:21pm

Some other factors:

NAS Members:
Michigan: 23

Brown: 11
Ohio State: 10

Rice: 3

Notre Dame: 0

NAE Members:
Michigan: 22

Rice: 12
Ohio State: 11

Brown: 3
Notre Dame: 3

Hawkette, no average temps in February? ;)

rjkofnovi · November 18, 2009, 6:52pm

Is hawkette trying to boost up her alma mater again?

hawkette · November 18, 2009, 7:53pm

ucb,
Come on. Let rjk do his own homework. That would be a first. Hehe.

Anyway, thanks for your numbers on NAS and NAE members. But let’s also put them in context relative to the size of these places and how many students are actually studying STEM subjects.

% NAE/NAS faculty to undergrads in STEM programs , # of students in STEM programs , College

0.16% , 1923 , Notre Dame
1.22% , 1230 , Rice
0.85% , 1641 , Brown

0.52% , 8578 , U MICHIGAN
0.22% , 9651 , OHIO STATE

Also, there are a lot more non-STEM students at a college who could care less about faculty members in remote departments who likely spend next to zero time with undergraduate students (whether at a public or a private).

And I wouldn’t discount the overall student faculty ratio at these schools. That number for Ohio State was surprising to me.

% not in STEM programs , # of students not in STEM programs , College

77% , 6440 , Notre Dame
61% , 1924 , Rice
76% , 5196 , Brown

67% , 17416 , U MICHIGAN
76% , 30561 , OHIO STATE

rjk,

Good luck in the game on Saturday. You’re going to need it. :p

Sparkeye7 · November 18, 2009, 8:24pm

^^Hawkette, thanks for the impressive (as always @_@) data set!!

In spite of TOSU administration rolling at full steam trying to propel the school into the Top-10 great public institutions such as Wisconsin or Illinois of the Big Ten in the next decade or so; I, for one, am content with TOSU consistently ranked in the high 40s with Texas and Washington for the future. :)

hawkette · November 28, 2009, 9:38am

Ohio State may have conquered U Michigan again this year in football, but Ohio State does not win in every competition with U Michigan. Recently the WSJ did some investigative journalism to discover which campus had the “the more hateful” fans. As the story concludes,

“In the end, the verdict was clear. Michigan came out more hateful in 10 of the 15 tasks. Finally, the Wolverines have something to celebrate.”

[Michigan</a> vs. Ohio State: Testing the Rivalry - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704204304574545631975540624.html]Michigan”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704204304574545631975540624.html)

I know that the U Michigan folks like to think that I don’t give them credit when they earn them. So, let me extend my congrats to the U Michigan faithful!

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