<p>@CaliCash ah. I am fond of UCF as a school, and I LOVE the location; it’s just WAY too big for me to ever consider attending.</p>
<p>@preamble1776 agreed 100%. My parents have always been telling me that no matter if I go to Stetson (6th in the Southeast) or even Rider (23rd in the Northeast) for UG, it’s where I get my MBA that matters.</p>
<p>@lbad96 You should try to stop viewing schools as numbers. USNWR rankings are pretty arbitrary when you consider how important fit is and how different departments within a school rank as well. </p>
<p>“12 Wofford College 985 982 3
13 Brown University 985 991 -6
14 Stanford University 984 978 6
15 Georgia Institute of Technology 983 983 0 <===== Go Jackets!
16 Clemson University 983 985 -2
17 Columbia University-Barnard College 983 987 -4
18 Bryant University 982 978 4
19 Boston College 981 982 -1
20 Princeton University 981 986 -5”</p>
<p>I don’t see anything wrong with Ole Miss tweeting the football teams GPA. Think about how much time the football players spend practicing,taking classes and studying… I think 2.57 is pretty good all things considered.</p>
<p>If you ask me, a 2.57 team GPA is not the end of the world, but it’s really sad that the coach views this as bragworthy, and presumably knows that his audience will be impressed. That’s the part that troubles me. You don’t even need a B-minus average before you merit public praise.</p>
<p>2.57 is pretty good. I mean, it rounds out to a 2.6, right? Yeah, it’s not as high as it could be but at least it’s just an average. I would be more concerned about 4- and 5-year graduation rates. An average doesn’t really tell you that much by itself; it doesn’t even really tell you if there are some people doing exceptionally well and some people failing, or if everyone is just kind of middling/average in performance.</p>
<p>@preamble1776 trust me, I don’t only view schools as numbers; I always roll my eyes whenever I see a prestige-grubbing student or parent. Lots of students who do that are rejected from the ultra-competitive schools, realizing that those schools are NOT great fits at all (I actually do find myself rooting for prestige snobs to be rejected, in all honesty.)</p>
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<p>Ole Miss: 51% Out of State
Miss State: 34% Out of State</p>
<p>Both schools don’t seem to have a problem with recruiting OOS students.</p>
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<p>Hehe…I stated that both Mississippi schools have high % of OOS students, and then you correct me by listing stats that show that both Mississippi schools have a high % of OOS students…at least you’ve started to look up some stats.</p>
<p>My stats are from the National Center for Education Statistics and can be found on the College Navigator website:</p>
<p><a href=“College Navigator - University of Mississippi”>College Navigator - University of Mississippi;
<p>It’s based on first-time degree/certificate-seeking undergraduates, Fall 2012.</p>
<p>The 37% number likely represents all undergraduates, including transfer students and the regional campuses (Desoto, Tupelo, Booneville, and Grenada). </p>
<p>Page 6 has the details:</p>
<p><a href=“http://irep.olemiss.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/98/2014/02/fall_2013_2014_enrollment_profile_final.pdf”>http://irep.olemiss.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/98/2014/02/fall_2013_2014_enrollment_profile_final.pdf</a></p>
<p>Either way, both schools have to be described as having a far larger than normal % of OOS for a state flagship university.Low OOS cost and low admission requirements has, for years, made both schools very appealing to OOS students.</p>
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<p>The coach is trying to motivate his team to perform academically through positive reinforcement. He’s also trying to send a message to his players, his players parents (and any potential recruits/parents) that academics matter. If he (and his players) can improve their academic performance, why shouldn’t he brag about it?</p>
<p>I would guess it’s not the tweet that bothers you, but the whole system of Div 1 college sports. Kids with an average 2.57 GPA can get a full ride scholarship, that’s not based on academics or need but on academic ability. </p>
<p>@Gator88NE - I know moms whose daughters were selecting between Ole Miss and UA, not for cost or academics or football, but which had the higher sorority rankings - and they were proud of their selections and the old row sorority their daughters got into. They truly believe connections, living in the right place, and looking the right way is what leads to success. Although it sounds like they are selling their daughters short, Who knows, that may still be one of the best ways to get to the top in the South.</p>
<p>@threeofthree - at the end of the day, you have to respect peoples choices and their reasons for choosing an University, even if you don’t agree. “Connections” has been an a key reason behind selecting universities for a very long time. We (on CC) don’t talk about it much, outside of the IVY’s, but it’s still a factor used by many in choosing a school. </p>
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<p>Sorry, but the facts don’t support this. If the facts did, then the OOS numbers would be low…just enough to field teams. </p>
<p>For the past 2-3 years, Alabama’s frosh class has been over 50% OOS. The last year had 60% OOS.<br>
Are they all athletes? lol No. And many aren’t even attending on merit scholarships…many are full or near-full pay. </p>
<p>And, for amusing anecdotal information, nearly all the future freshmen on the Auburn c/o 2019 group are out-of-state, and few have stated to be in athletics or scholarships. And Auburn doesn’t have nearly as good out-of-state scholarships as, say, Alabama does, so this isn’t even out-of-staters merit hunting.</p>
<p>Funny how those that stereo-typically judge the South have rarely even stepped a foot in it. 
maybe it’s a good thing all the judgey types tend to stay in the North.</p>
<p>My comments weren’t negative toward either Ole Miss or UA but simply a point of view from some folks I personally know and attend and love their schools. And, they may be very right. </p>
<p>@irlandaise - where did you get your information from. I just checked Auburn’s site and this is from their page:</p>
<p>The new freshman class boasts an average ACT score of 27.0 and an average high school GPA of 3.77. Sixty-two percent of the new class are from Alabama, while 38 percent are from out-of-state.</p>
<p>@threeofthree Like I said, this is “anecdotal” and informal observations from the Facebook group for those who will be attending Auburn next year as freshman, hence the c/o 2019. I’m sure that most will, as usual, in fact be from Alabama, I just found it interesting how most in group have stated they are not.</p>
<p>Auburn’s puts out info on “Term Grade Point Averages by Class and Gender”.</p>
<p><a href=“https://web.auburn.edu/ir/factbook/acadinfo/retention/qgpabcag.aspx”>https://web.auburn.edu/ir/factbook/acadinfo/retention/qgpabcag.aspx</a></p>
<p>From Summer 1993 to Summer 2012, Auburn’s average GPA was higher than a 3.0 one time (summer 2009). In the fall of 2007, it was a 2.72. I wish we had the Ole Miss numbers, so we could compare them to the football team’s. </p>
<p>Here’s an interesting report comparing overall Freshman graduation performance to student-athletes. </p>
<p><a href=“https://web.auburn.edu/ir/factbook/acadinfo/retention/gsrncaa2013.pdf”>https://web.auburn.edu/ir/factbook/acadinfo/retention/gsrncaa2013.pdf</a></p>
<p>What jumps out to me, is how black student-athletes far out perform the overall black student graduation performance (by about 20% points), and perform as well as well as the overall student body. Interesting stuff. Clearly the academic support (and full ride scholarships) make a difference for Black Students (on the other hand, white student-athletes slightly under-performed other white students).</p>
<p>I believe the student athletes get a lot of help - i.e. free tutoring to the extreme. There is free tutoring for all students but the tutoring for the athletes fit their schedule as opposed to the non-athlete has to fit their schedule to the free tutoring. I was impressed at senior game when a few of the football players were graduating engineers, one was chemical engineering degree and I believe one was industrial engineering. Most, however, were Public Administration/Policy, Political Science, or Psychology. For those not going Pro I do hope they can obtain gainful employment. </p>
<p>^^ I was a political science major, and I wasn’t an athlete. How are athletes majoring in poly sci or psychology any different than any other students in those majors? They didn’t make up those majors for athletes. Many of my roommates in college were recreation majors (with a lot of athletes), and my brother has some kind of sports management degree, but he wasn’t an athlete (for the school) when he graduated. He has a very successful career in sports management. </p>
<p>Some student athletes do get extra help, but most get exactly the same help that any student can have by asking for it. My daughter stood in line for office hours just like anyone else. Athletes tend to gather in the same part of the library for required study tables, but the library is open to anyone. People complain that athletes have everything handed to them when that just isn’t true. Until this year, football players couldn’t even be provided a bagel with cream cheese as an afternoon snack as the cream cheese made it a meal and only 3 meals per day could be provided. There are a lot of restrictions on what can and can’t be provided to athletes. My daughter works very hard and so do her teammates who major in psychology and communications if that’s what they want to study. My daughter happens to be an engineering student but if she wanted to major in psychology, I wouldn’t think she was slacking.</p>
<p>I still think being a football player and going to college at the same time has got to be hard. At Georgia Tech they have had problems recruiting players for years. Last year they added a major for athletes although other students can major in it too. It’s called “History, technology and society”. </p>
<p>Major for athletes? Do you know some behind-the-scenes story about the establishment of that department? That’s a hot area of inquiry right now. I was under the impression that GaTech’s greater emphasis on majors combining STEM fields with other liberal arts was more about attracting and retaining women.</p>