Parents Caring for Parents Support Thread (Part 2)

I saw a program about a young woman who had a head injury from being accidently head-butted backstage (she was part of a NY Broadway show), and she fell back landing with hitting the floor hard with her head. She was hospitalized, and had almost no memories - she remembered her name. In her apartment, she didn’t recognize family photos. Had a lot of care, and later moving home was still looking at her pictures and journals. She regained about 30% of her past memories.

Being on a lot of long-term psych medications I do believe affects the brain negatively. My mom died of Dementia at age 77, and she was on a lot of heavy psych meds since her late 50’s being diagnosed with bi-polar disorder (both her own mother and my younger sister also had the disorder). By her late 50’s she was cycling depression. Her ‘up’ was not way out of control, but evident.

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I don’t know know. My copy just lists me; I know my sister’s document is similar. His lawyer also has one.

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That’s a tough situation. I’m glad your Dad knows it’s important to do some proactive planning.

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Oh my, so rough when people do not want to accept the new reality!

FIL was losing executive function, after much work, we got the PCP to agree to do a letter we could give the bank and the AL to allow him not to making financial choices.

BIL called the doctor and objected. It was not anything weird between siblings, when a POA was needed, DH was the natural choice, but deflected that to BILs family to make sure they felt involved.

FIL was inappropriate with caregivers, giving them cash and expensive jewelry, so we were trying to protect him & his assets from bad choices. Luckily the caregiver at that time was ethical, but I can imagine what could have happened.

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I lost the battle!

My brother fired my father’s caregiver with the accusation/assumption that the caregiver was undermining the process of moving Dad from the hospital-owned skilled nursing floor to the enhanced AL 25 miles away.

Brother signed the placement contract with the EAL. He fired the caregiver after the caregiver drove SMom to see Dad for the day. (I saw that she posted on FB looking for a taxi service — she gets confused between Facebook and Google!) So she needed a ride back to her facility.

Hospice says Dad doesn’t qualify yet.

I’m making plans to go north next weekend. I really want to see if Dad can feed himself and I plan to put cream on his feet to see if he has wounds. (In January, I had to hold his milkshake).

Brother says the move will take place the weekend of 4/12, when we are at a wedding down south. He says SMom’s nephews will do it. But he hasn’t spoken with them.

I’m concerned that without the caregiver, 4 hours per day, for the next two weeks until the move, that Dad’s status will decline. He’ll be mighty lonely.

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This is one of those situations where you kind of want to just let your brother deal with it all when the stuff inevitably hits the fan, but you love your dad so don’t want him to suffer needlessly. My heart goes out to you and your dad.

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What a tough situation. Sounds like you are doing what you can. Good luck on your trip next weekend.

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I called a high school friend who was a nursing home executive/director for years.

She substantiated what we all (here) seem to think.

It was nice to get support even if I can’t change anything!

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This interesting stairs/lift combo info came up in my FB feed….

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Love the idea of FlexStep. But quick digging shows they are about $30k (and I assume few thousand more for installation). Max of 6 steps. There are some cases though (in homes, businesses, churches etc) where this kind of thing could be worthwhile.

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There are small foldable standing platforms one can stand on to go up & down stairs, that can be attached to longer staircases that I’ve seen, depending on abilities and needs of the patients.

I am close friends with my DIL’s mom. Her stepdad died early this morning. His dd isn’t taking it well and is lashing out at my friend. Even the stepdaughter’s dh admits that she’s acting irrationally. My friend will be flying her mom back to her home across the country later this week, but the stepdaughter is trustee of the estate and currently has POA on the mom. It’s a mess. Grief can me a monster.

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Blemded families can be a nightmare when one parent dies. I speak from experience. My husband’s stepmother sued his siblings, eventually spending most of the estate in litigation fees.

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A friend’s H and his sibs have been sued by a sister. He’s been accused of a host of unsavory things and it causes him and his wife a great deal of grief and unpleasantness. These are all sisters & brothers. It’s pretty awful and a fortune is being spent on attorneys fees.

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I’ve been a CPA for 35 years. Sadly, I have seen so many family horror stories regarding estates. More this year than I ever remember. My sister cut us all off years ago. I’ll be settling the estate in the future, and I’m sure she’ll be first holding her hand out. She’s already told me the clean-out work is my responsibility.

The best and easiest situations are when the parent has downsized and has the paperwork in order. Even that doesn’t prevent these horrible family fights.

I’ll never forget a client early in my career. The son was adamant that his #1 goal as administrator was to keep the family together and none of the “stuff” was near that in importance. I’ve thought of his words often since then.

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When my SisIL died, H and BIL were united in agreeing that their relationship was primary and everything else would work out. We are all still very close 13 years later. We divided things in a way that made sense to us and didn’t care that we got a LOT less than we were “entitled to.” We have no regrets and are all very happy.

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My crazy (truly!) brother fought my aunt for a year concerning the paltry estate of my older aunt. Despite the fact that the attorney son of my surviving aunt was given courtesy discounts in the state where my aunt died, most of the estate was dribbled away by court and attorney fees. A terrible, terrible time for my very small maternal family.

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My MIL’s trust has a condition: Should any beneficiary of this Trust contest the validity of this Trust or my Last Will and Testament or any provision thereof or to prevent any provision thereof from being carried out in accordance with its terms, they’ll lose everything that they would have received. That wouldn’t prevent anyone not included in the trust/will from trying to make a claim, but I imagine it would make those named think twice about contesting.

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Estates can end up hairy and messy sometimes. 2 examples from my own family of origin:

Death of my maternal grandmother:
for YEARS prior to her death, my grandmother (GM) would pit my mom and my aunt against each other so they’d compete for her attention. She changed her will many times, each time telling whoever was in the role at the time of Golden Child that THAT kid was getting everything when GM died and Other Sibling would get nothing.

When GM did actually die, the will in place at the time, thankfully, had everything split 50/50. Great, right? No.

My mom was executor of the estate. My aunt sued the estate for ‘wages and back pay,’ claiming that there was a verbal agreement w/GM for GM to pay Aunt an hourly wage for all of the in-home care that Aunt provided to GM for the 2-3 yr that Aunt lived w/GM in GM’s house prior to GM’s death. Nobody (not even GM) specifically told or asked Aunt to move in with GM. Aunt stupidly sold her townhouse/condo nearby when she moved in w/GM.

The whole thing ended up in court. Like, my mom had to travel to Aunt’s state and appear in court. GM’s estate’s attorney was not the greatest. In the end, it was all deemed to be split 50/50 between my mom & Aunt. That day in court was the last time my mom & Aunt saw each other or spoke to each other ever again.

Fast forward to a couple of years later, and my mom died of pancreatic cancer. A few months after her death, Aunt received a letter in the mail, hand written by my mom, in which my mom listed out all the reasons why she hated Aunt. The letter concluded with my mom telling my aunt that she hopes that Aunt rots in hell.

And what’s even more messed up is that my dad actually put that letter in the mail. He knew exactly what was in it. But lied to my sister and I about it.

Death of my mom & the additional aftermath:
My parents set up their assets in a living trust. About 3 yr before my mom died, my parents moved from CA to East Coast. No idea why there since neither my sister or I live on East Coast.

Prior to my mom’s death, my sister was designated in the trust/estate docs to be medical & financial power of attorney.

Within 3 months after my mom died, my dad started dating one of my mom’s good friends. My dad started telling friends of his (people who also knew my sister & I, so they told us about this) that he “thought they (me & my sister) will pull the plug too early” so he was changing the medical & financial power of attorney to somebody else.

To who? He refused to tell us.

This was back when my kids were almost 2.5 & 4.5. D26 & D24.

A year to the day after my mom died, my dad married her toxic friend. Starting 5-6 months after my mom died, my dad shipped all of his & my mom’s mementos, including all of our family photos and everything, to me & my sister. Even photos I’d gifted to him of my kids. It was like he was erasing all of us from his life.

Out of all of the single older ladies in this world, he somehow found one of THE most envious, manipulative, evil-tongued people I’ve ever met.

He’s chosen to hardly have a relationship with my kids. He’s come here to see us maybe 4 times in the 14 1/2 years since my mom died. He never calls my kids. Never calls me or my sister…he will text us periodically with a weird text message that’s his passive aggressive way of saying “I have something to tell you.”

He’s bitter that we won’t fly to East Coast to go and kiss the ring. So he sits in his almost 3000 sq ft house with his grumpy wife, alone, with no friends (my mom made a ton of friends in their neighborhood…my dad alienated himself from literally all of them because he’s so self absorbed and rude), basically now waiting to die.

Meanwhile, he’s now starting to lose his marbles. And his wife is NOT a nice person. But he’s made his bed now and has to lay in it. His elder care is not my or my sister’s problem.

The last time I was at their house in person was 6 weeks before my mom died. I have no plans to go visit him in person before he dies. If there is a funeral or memorial service, I will not be attending. The normal father I used to have died with my mother. He is a mean, vindictive person who has a disturbing mean streak in him and he has demonstrated major levels of Schadenfreude. I’m talking about stuff like relishing in and celebrating somebody suffering and dying of brain cancer caused by malignant melanoma…he said horrible stuff like “Serves him right.”

Some of that money in his estate is $$ that my mother inherited from HER mother…money that my GM did NOT want to go to my dad…money that my GM said she wanted to go to my sister and I.

MY family could really use that $$. But it’s not worth it. I’m not going to sell my soul to the altar of my narcissistic messed up dad. Forget it.

My dad is a great example of one of my rules: Grandparenting is a privilege, not a right.

My dad used to be a part of our family. Now he really isn’t anymore. He’s more of a distant relative who pops up for attention periodically. Thankfully, geography is our friend and there’s many many miles between us, so there’s no way on this green earth that he will ever show up at my door to say “Surprise! I’m here to visit!” He’s old and infirmed enough now that he can’t travel anymore. And that’s a good thing.

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I’m so sorry when I read about how people sometimes become their worst selves as they age. We were very fortunate that dad tried not to be too negative, though he mostly felt lousy due to difficulty breathing and having no stamina toward the end of his life. Mom outlived him by a few years and was the sweetest, as always. They never tried to divide us and hoped we would remain close as we were throughout their lives and so far that’s still the case.

It would be very painful if my loved one married a spiteful and cruel person. I’d be very sad for all involved but cutting ties sounds like the safest thing to do under such bleak circumstances.

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