Parents of the HS Class of 2011 - Original

<p>Long lists!</p>

<p>Oh boy, D’s list just keeps growing and growing. She now has 11 schools on it. One of them is the in-state safety (financial and academic) I have insisted she apply to, just in case. The other ten are mostly reaches with some reachy-reaches (Ivies), one other safety, and two matches. It really seems like too many, but she wants to maximize her chances of getting into one of her reaches by applying to a lot of them. There’s some sense in that, but I think her high school GC is going to flip when she sees D’s list.</p>

<p>We’re going to make a quick trip to visit a couple of the schools at the end of September. D will be taking two days off from school, but they’re not very strict about that sort of thing. We will visit the others in mid-April, along with all the other admitted students!!!</p>

<p>All but one of her colleges requires either the SAT + subjects tests, <em>or</em> the ACT. She has been planning to send only her ACT score because it is a stronger score. But Williams requires subject tests from everybody, so I think she is planning to submit all of her common app + supplements to all the schools except Williams. Then she will add her subject test scores and submit it to Williams. Does it work that way, or will all of her schools see the updated version?</p>

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I would choose the individual campus tour + interview, for sure. The Senior Day will probably be very crowded, and no interviews? Go with the interview.</p>

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<p>My D was really turned off by Pitt’s huge visit day. The small group tours were the best. (Okay, maybe the private tour by the hot guy was actually the best.)</p>

<p>Okay, I’m still confused…my S is applying ED to his dream school and putting out two apps to safeties. On the common app, he inputs all three names?
Sorry if I’m asking you guys to repeat yourselves…</p>

<p>Yes. Add all the schools that you are applying to and that take common app. Then you will only have to input a lot of the info once. You will have a chance to indicte for each school if it is regukarnor early.</p>

<p>Individual tour and interview. We are visiting an OOS school in late fall and I am making sure it does NOT coincide with a Sr. Day or open house. Instead of getting the attention that your student may really need to make a decision, they will feel like one in a herd of cattle. </p>

<p>My son attended a very important Open House for one of his top two schools. It was well run and very informative, but very crowded. By contrast he had a personal meeting with his ‘safety’ who sold him on the merits of the school and what it had to offer DS specifically. He invited him down, saying he would plan the visit start to finish, making every appointment, making sure he was able to meet with every department head in his major, and see everything he wanted…just send the list. </p>

<p>Now, what school do you think DS is talking about. Even though he is a smart student, he is 17yo and being treated well makes a difference. We are trying to tell him if someone sat personally from the other school and told him all the special things it had to offer, he’d feel that way about it. The point is, they didn’t…they don’t have to.</p>

<p>I do feel ultimately DS will make his decision based on the best educational opportunity. My suggestion would be, don’t turn down the one-on-one opportunity, especially if it is at a school your student is very interested in.</p>

<p>4tran4, definitely bag the senior day and go for the individual tour + interview. It will be much more valuable in the situation you’ve described.</p>

<p>thanks aniger. second part of the question: does he add the schools that he’ll apply to if (please God, no) ED doesn’t go his way?</p>

<p>I just wanted to say, I’m so glad to have the lot of you here to ‘talk’ to. I am giving up discussing college with anyone else. I’ve been verbally stung one too many times and I am just tired of it. Thanks for letting me be a part of this journey, listening to my updates, not judging my involvement, or questioning what’s best for my kid… That doesn’t mean agreeing with me all the time, far from it. It simply means respect for the motivation. I’m tired of having that questioned.</p>

<p>Thanks to all, sincerely. I hope I add to your experience as well, or at the very least, don’t take away from it.</p>

<p>BI</p>

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<p>That’s how to do it, for instance Y does not accept score choice and here are their instructions:</p>

<p>[Instructions</a> for Reporting Your Scores | Application to Yale College | Freshmen | Office of Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.yale.edu/admit/freshmen/application/score_reporting.html]Instructions”>http://www.yale.edu/admit/freshmen/application/score_reporting.html)</p>

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<p>^^
I think we need to go back to the beginning and look at those instructions. Best to do it now before everything is added into it–
Yesterday we helped kiddo add in ECs. those small fields and short blocks dont offer lots of room</p>

<p>I have read about how Adcoms “HATE” resumes and extra stuff–and how the app should be sufficient and then also read “consultants” comments bragging that “their” clients ALWAYS add in extra EC sheets etc…and how their clients get in “everywhere”…</p>

<p>Any thoughts??</p>

<p>Hey Blue Iguana…LOVE having you here–and fwiw I only discuss college apps with two other parents and even then we dont agree
ha ha!
While I dont always find any comments to my thoughts here…I do find that others thoughts and insights are helpful.</p>

<p>One thing to consider–No one else has the best interests of YOUR child…(other than you)
and so the other parents can be very deceptive/competitive/discouraging etc…
((hugs))</p>

<p>yup, I am making it a priority to carefully read the instructions for the common app before S gets too far along in the process. I appreciate everyone’s help here. </p>

<p>BlueIguana - I never bring up the subject of college admissions but love to talk about it with others if they bring it up. One thing I have found funny is when folks with older kids give me advice. It usually ends up they know less than I do, thanks to CC. I can’t tell you how many times I have advised folks to make sure their kid “loves thy safety” and they look at me like I am crazy. </p>

<p>Well S offically quit football today. After he wore the cleats we just bought 2X, but right before we wrote the check for $135 to the school for things like socks, underarmour and other accessory stuff the coach wants every kid to have. H is not happy with S’s decision, neither am I frankly but I won’t force the kid to continue doing something he doesn’t like. I am just hoping he doesn’t have buyers remorse.</p>

<p>Blueiguana, I value your posts and I’m also very grateful for this community on CC…where we can vent, share, laugh, cry, complain, rejoice, despair …and know that at least some folks will be right there with us – understanding, or at least trying to understand. I’m sorry you got “stung” by something today.</p>

<p>Mamom, I respect the way you’re handling your son’s decision not to continue playing football. I don’t have an athlete, but I have a singer who, like your son , I imagine, has trained for many years and sacrificed a great deal in order to reach a high level of performance. All I have to do is imagine her telling me she didn’t want to sing or study voice anymore, and I can really relate to what you’re experiencing. I’ve always told her that if it stops being fun/rewarding, she can give it up. But I have to admit I would have to swallow and blink hard a few times if it really came to that. Like you, my biggest concern would be, “I hope you don’t regret this decision down the line.” You are honoring your son’s feelings and respecting his decision AND showing that you have confidence in his ability to make an important decision for himself. Good for you! That’s got to be difficult, and I really admire you for it. Best of luck to your son!</p>

<p>^^ Very well said Mom of Songbird.
I agree. And believe its true that while it is difficult (wondering if the teen will have regrets later) – it does show a level of respect and trust for the student to be in the drivers seat on this issue, especially when the whole thing has been discussed, weighed and measured.</p>

<p>Our students came home - happy with their schedules and teachers etc
Summer reading tests this week, and essays.</p>

<p>Fogfog, fwiw, our very pricy counselor is neutral on attaching activity lists. Don’t think we will have one as my son’s unique and difficult to explain ec will be the subject of his common app essay. You can also explain in the additional info space on common app. Having said that, if you need to use the activity list to do justice to the activities, then you shd do one.</p>

<p>I’m with you, BI, on having this place to talk safely and freely. Thanks, everyone!</p>

<p>One mantra I have had in mind for decades is “Hello, it’s HIGH SCHOOL, for goodness’ sake!” I was fortunate to be in a family with 3 older kids, none of whom let HS be their entire world, and so even in elementary school I knew that letting HS define your life and that thinking what happened in HS was going to be important in the long run were both silly and dangerous. I can’t imagine letting these kinds of decisions feel like they’re really going to matter in the long run. </p>

<p>I know I sounds like a radical “anti-HS” person, and I guess in some ways I am. I do have a general philosophy that HS is a time to be endured and be done with. Some things are fun and OK, and kids can be happy teenagers, but a lot of the time that comes outside of, or even in spite of, actual HS stuff. </p>

<p>But many of us here are not on our first HS-college transition, and regardless of whether it went well or not, we know how shockingly suddenly HS fades into one’s past. Whether or not you “got” this or “did” that will become practically forgotten as college life, and then “real” life, takes over. </p>

<p>Sure, it’s OK to care - you have to care about something. Some HS kids throw their energy into those HS successes, and friendships, to have a meaningful year. Some kids start looking outside of HS for satisfaction, instead. All is great, as long as they’re ready to move on and don’t let the HS experience make them crazy. What I’ve said to myself, and to my kids, and to kids I’ve counseled, is “it’s a big world out there, and lots of things will happen in this life.”</p>

<p>mosb: Your comments were lovely. I know your D is still strongly committed to music, but of course that road can have many changes, and it’s good to be prepared for them. I have seen my kids move from instruments they love(d), years they committed, and then need to move on. They’ve grieved as I have; it’s like a love affair that ends, in many ways, but fortunately they have both continued to find their love in music in new ways. As a musician myself, I truly can empathize with falling in and out of love with an instrument, or with a particular kind of music, or simply with the intensity of focused study. It happens, and you can’t force it.</p>

<p>But also it doesn’t mean that it’s over. A year off in HS - or any time - from practically anything doesn’t mean anything except in the tiny details of that particular year’s opportunities. We all know umpteen stories of someone who shocked everyone by “quitting” something … only to come back strong as ever, or with new perspective, or to move on to something really meaningful to them, or to rediscover something years later with a maturity they never had. </p>

<p>I’m not accusing anyone of a bad attitude here - I think the honesty and caring that we all express here is truly inspiring. I do think that as a culture we’ve gotten very anxious about “missing out” and have a fear that “it’s all over” way too quickly. I’m much more worried about burned out, injured for life, jaded and apathetic people who got too much too soon, overdid and gained only empty rewards. Life is just too complex for a linear approach to be the best.</p>

<p>Those cleats weren’t wasted - and neither was all of the equipment from my Ds’ “quit” activities that I sometimes gnash my teeth over the price tag. He’ll take those cleats to college and be glad he has them when he plays in pickup games, or club games, or whatever. There are many things I know I’m going to send to college with D2, either initially or later in the mail because she realizes she misses them - musical instruments, dance shoes, oil paints, etc. These are all “supplies for life,” in my opinion.</p>

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<p>The most difficult “EC breakup” for me was when younger daughter retired from gymnastics. (A sports psychologist told me to use the word “retire” rather than quit - when a person has devoted herself to an activity since preschool, she deserves the dignity of being “retired” rather than being labeled a “quitter.”)</p>

<p>Anyway, gymnastics is one of those activities that an althete truly never does again after that last meet. Sure she can tumble. But I knew at the last meet that it was very likely that she would never be an a beam, bars or vault again. (BTW, D was THRILLED to never be a beam, bars or vault again.)</p>

<p>The most difficult “EC breakup” for me was when younger daughter retired from gymnastics. (A sports psychologist told me to use the word “retire” rather than quit - when a person has devoted herself to an activity since preschool, she deserves the dignity of being “retired” rather than being labeled a “quitter.”)</p>

<p>Missypie, I have to say I had a really hard time when D said she no longer wanted to play soccer. She has played since she was 5. Yikes! I am having a harder time dealing with this than she is…I thought she might play in college but she says she is done. </p>

<p>She says she might play intramural in college. I respect her wishes and if she says she doesn’t want to play then it is okay.</p>