Parents of the HS Class of 2011 - Original

<p>Re: the starting of a website or consulting business or whatever for the College Moms . . . this board has been one of, if not THE, most helpful resources in our college search for DS. Even though he’s not HYP, MIT, etc. caliber – and isn’t interested in any top 20 schools anyway – the “mechanics” of a college search are the same for everyone. </p>

<p>As for the helpfulness of CC . . . last spring, when DS was a junior, I went to a financial aid seminar at his high school where supposedly an “expert” in financial aid would be making a presentation to parents. Turns out, it was the financial aid officer for the local community college (which has several campuses around this area and has lots and lots of students, including 18-year-olds on up to adults changing careers).</p>

<p>First problem was he pronounced it “FASFA.” Right then, I thought “Uh-oh.” Then, during his 45-minute presentation, I literally already knew EVERYTHING he said. I kept thinking “Okay, any minute now, he’s going to tell me some great thing that I didn’t already know,” but no . . . :rolleyes: </p>

<p>So, thanks CC for educating me far more than the quote-unquote experts!</p>

<p>Happy birthday HollieSue!</p>

<p>owm - great idea about helping other kids with their college searches. Yesterday, after D’s ACT results, we were just talking about how we would not have pushed her to take the ACT, if not for the stuff I read on this cc board. Both kids mentioned that we should be thankful to this board (and to mom who did the research). My S did in fact say that I should do this as a job :slight_smile: So, it looks like all of us are thinking along the same lines!</p>

<p><em>warning! this got long!</em></p>

<p>Hey, everyone. I’m YDS and a first-time visitor to the 2015 thread, shuttling over from the 2014 thread. Such an exciting and stressful time for y’all. Good luck!</p>

<p>I made a joke on our thread about starting a new one for future college freshman parents called “Beware the Calculus Placement” after reading how so many of our kids, my ds included, are struggling with their math classes. I decided to post here to remind everyone that once the acceptances are in and the deposit is made to make sure you get good academic advising when it comes to registering for classes. Several of the 2014 kids (mostly/exclusively??? boys, it seems) have found themselves over their heads. I’ll share ds’s story.</p>

<p>Ds is at a top 10 LAC. When you look at stats, it was a match/low reach for him (he was easily in the top half of the class SAT-wise, not quite in the top quarter), so he should be able to hang academically there. Before he registered for classes, he was notified that he was eligible for Calc III, or multivariable, based on his 5 on the BC Cal AP test and AB subscore. We were worried about that placement from the get-go for a number of reasons. He had a really difficult BC Cal teacher and really busted his butt like never before to get a solid B in that course. We weren’t surprised by the 5 on the test because the teacher really prepares these kids. However, this all occurred junior year; it had been more than a year since he took calculus when he registered for the MV class at college (he took AP Stats senior year). He is not planning on majoring in a math-intensive area.</p>

<p>He wrote the math dept and expressed his concerns at the time, but they assured him he would be fine. And, in order to get the credit for Calc I and Calc II, he needed to take MV, and it would be his last math class ever. Woot!</p>

<p>Well, it hasn’t been fine. He started out with a few low A’s and B’s on homework assignments and a strong A on a group project, but his tests and quizzes were low B’s and worse. Uh, much worse as the semester progressed. When his dad and I learned that he had a low C and was in danger of failing that class with his downward trend we got on him about meeting with the prof and using the tutoring center. He did and actually formed a study group! But, it was too little too late, and there’s almost no way he can pull even a C out of this course. He is dropping the class today. (FYI, he’s making A’s/high B’s in his other classes so it’s not a partying too much thing) </p>

<p>Now that he’s met with his freshman adviser about this situation, he’s learned that he had many, many other options. Unfortunately, they involve leaving that 5 from BC Cal on the table, which is a bummer, but he really could have avoided this whole stressful situation if he’d known to ask more questions. Just because he CAN take MV his first semester at a college 1,000 miles from home while he’s making all kinds of other adjustments doesn’t mean he SHOULD. He also placed into an upper-level class in his language (though that’s going well), so the only actual freshman course he has this semester is his freshman seminar. He knows he bit off more than he can chew, but he didn’t fully understand his options. I think he could have done more due diligence on the front end, and I wish I’d been a little more hands-on in terms of providing guidance and giving him the questions to ask.</p>

<p>As I said before, several 2014 thread kids have dropped their math classes, and others are struggling and stuck. Their schools don’t have a withdraw option after the initial add/drop period (FYI, some of this is coming from PMs to me and isn’t on the public thread) and so they fear their kids will have a D or F on their transcript. In one case, a mom has been shocked to learn that math tutoring is difficult to find at her ds’s top 10 LAC, so that’s something to look into before you commit to a college.</p>

<p>Anyway, I felt compelled to post something in order to maybe save some of you some heartburn next year. I think this kind of issue might be pretty common among the cc crowd, who 1) often opt for the reachier school where academics might be more challenging and 2) have brighter-than-average kids who might have never been challenged before and not know when to seek help (sooner, not later!) or how (what resources are available to them and no, getting help doesn’t mean your dumb). </p>

<p>The good news is ds already has listed the numerous lessons he’s learning that will really help him down the line – things like make use of the prof’s office hours. The profs aren’t that scary and really want you to succeed. Talk early and often to your freshman adviser; that’s why he/she is there, and they’ve seen it all. Form study groups early. Do more research about courses and options before registering. Use the tutoring centers as a matter of course, not just when you need help. I think he has a good deal of pride surrounding working this all out. And now I know we really did need to set some expectations surrounding minimum GPA, consequences for failing a class, etc. Lessons learned for all of us!</p>

<p>Oh, and happy birthday, holliesue!</p>

<p>Good advice YDS and you’re welcome to pop in any time.</p>

<p>Most schools make a big deal about students registering for classes without their parents in the room. Okay, that’s fine, but without their parents to run things by, many will be nice, compliant students and do whatever their advisor says to do. </p>

<p>AP credits can cause problems for freshmen. I’ve heard the math thing a lot. Also, many schools only have openings in their 101/Intro classes, and if the student needs to take an advanced class, they may be out of luck.</p>

<p>YDS: Thanks for the warning. You give very good advice. My observations from the experiences of my older daughter and her friends shows that most kids should start by repeating their highest level of math in college. I have also heard that Calc II can be a hugh weed out course at most colleges. </p>

<p>AmandaK: Congratuations to you and your son. It’s awesome that he’s already got an acceptance from his first choice.</p>

<p>I have been following CC since my older daughter was a HS junior, and I’m still amazed at the information you can find here.</p>

<p>I followed YDS over here to second her post! My freshman son had a similar experience in a required “undergraduate seminar” class at the University of Texas. There were many different ones offered, so he picked one called “Global Money.” It was very interesting, but he didn’t realize that the fact that he did not have economics in high school would be such a big disadvantage. All Texas kids take it in HS, but our state doesn’t require it. The kid held on bravely, but his grades were tanking pretty badly. When his dad and I told him we thought he should drop it, he was SO relieved! He’s doing much better in his other classes now. I just try not to think about all the money we spent on several huge Global Money textbooks, lol. The class he picked for next semester is called something like, “Art, Music, and Mexican Catholicism.” I imagine he picked it because it fit his schedule the best!</p>

<p>It’s definitely still a learning process for me. I am trying hard not to be a helicopter parent, but I’ve found I HAVE to make suggestions occasionally when I see him going badly off-track. What I try to do is brainstorm with him, so he figures out the person he should contact with each problem. That’s worked pretty well so far.</p>

<p>Good luck to all of you! I can’t tell you how much easier this year is for me than last. I was in a constant state of stress last year. But everything turned out great!</p>

<p>AmandaK: Congrats to your son! My DH is a Penn State (main campus) grad and much to his dismay, neither of our first two sons has shown any interest in attending Penn State. They do, however, cheer on Joe Paterno and the football team. Geat news for your son!</p>

<p>Although they learn pretty quickly, some freshman don’t really realize that they can drop a class and that sometimes it’s the best idea …abort! abandon ship! Because that’s not really an option in high school, it takes them a while to realize it is an option in college.</p>

<p>Yes, and it’s a beating on their self-esteem. Ds really didn’t want to give up the ship and admit defeat. Hearing the dejection in his voice made it much easier for me not to pile on and beat him up, too. Is it desirable to have a drop on your transcript? No. But I’m thinking people will be much easier to forgive the drop by a first-semester freshman, especially when the other grades will be strong.</p>

<p>Happy Birthday to Hollie! :)</p>

<p>Congratulations to your son Amadakayak, Penn State is an excellent school!! I could totally relate to your story. The visual was just cracking me up!!</p>

<p>After much technical difficulty, emails to tech support, and some fussing at the computer screen, Bluejr. submitted his ‘match’ application last night. Big sigh of relief to get that out the door! It’s a very strong school in his major that he’d be thrilled to attend. Now he has no choice but to tackle the Common App.</p>

<p>Thanks for the post YDS. We’ve had this discussion with Bluejr…which classes to take credit for and move on, and which to repeat in college. Calc and physics are two we are really encouraging a retake in college, regardless of good hs grades/strong SATs. We went through the refusal to drop classes with our older son and it cost him dearly. They just don’t want to do it. We make sure he knows the different drop dates now…there are several.</p>

<p>YDS & ML…thank you both for your posts. I actually copied them and sent to D. Just last night we were on UT-Austin’s website looking at what her AP scores would exempt and not exempt and I think it is a good plan to not take all that credit, even when credit is due. Freshman year is so hard, so I suspect it would be great to the self esteem to be confident in your classes, not feeling defeated. Thanks for the tips and PLEASE come back with more.</p>

<p>Happy Birthday, Hollie Sue! Dittoing Rodney. </p>

<p>Amanda, Congrats to your son!</p>

<p>I would love to help out anyway I can and since I don’t have another job once boychild leaves the nest I need a good excuse to not go out and get a “real” job.</p>

<p>Up 'til 3-4 years ago the top students in our HS followed the same path as YDS’s DS - AP Calc BC jr. year, then AP stats or no math class sr. year, and up to college they went. I did hear about several of those students having problems with the Calc III class in college. Then our school started offering Calc III. And since it’s not an AP class and it is offered thru a local tier 3 or 4 college, kids usual don’t get a credit and have to retake Calc III in college again. It works a lot better that way.</p>

<p>cgpm59 - FASFA?? :smiley: :smiley: :D</p>

<p>You either have to fill out the FASFA or the FROPILE, depending on the school.</p>

<p>thanks to YDS and ML for your advice…it is only fair that you come to our thread occasionally as I can assure you that many of us have silently been reading your thread for the past year or so…:slight_smile:
thanks again for all the birthday wishes…</p>

<p>AmandaK, Wow, great news! Congrats to you and your son!!!</p>

<p>YDS and MaineLH, thanks for jumping the fence to come over and give us a heads-up. Very, very helpful stories and advice!</p>

<p>Regarding the possibility of our doing some sort of outreach to share all we’ve learned with other kids, since we’re brainstorming here, I’m trying to think outside the box a little. </p>

<p>Would this necessarily have to go through the schools? If privacy and GC “turf” issues are potential roadblocks, what if we were to “stay out of school” so to speak, and go directly to kids and parents with offers of help and guidance. Not sure how we’d do this, but it might avoid a lot of hassles, constraints, and aggravation.</p>

<p>From a “marketing/visibility” standpoint, the question becomes how to make kids/families aware of what we have to offer through channels other than the schools themselves.</p>

<p>Hmmmm, sounds of mosb thinking…</p>

<p>Blueiguana, YAY on getting that app in! Fingers tightly crossed for bluejr!</p>

<p>Maybe approach other organizations - for eg. Big Brother/Big Sister or Boys Club of America which serve disadvantaged youths in other ways.</p>

<p>Keylimepie – Yes, and he said it more than once, so I know it wasn’t just a momentary tongue-tied thing.</p>

<p>UT – Yes, the FROPILE . . . !!! :)</p>