<p>OF- Math IIC? There’s an SAT Subject Exam Math II, and there’s AP Calculus BC, but what is Math IIC? Is this an IB thing?</p>
<p>^^ Math IIC = Math II.</p>
<p>You are talking about Brown, amtc, right? Sounds like a perfect fit.</p>
<p>College Board changes the names of these things so often (Achievement Tests, SAT II, Subject Tests, etc.) it’s hard to keep up. Math IIC was an older designation of the Math II subject test where calculator use was permitted. Of course now it’s assumed.</p>
<p>Both of my stepsons went to Simon’s Rock and really enjoyed it. One is now working on his PhD in Computer Science at Stanford and the other is graduating in Econ and Math from UChicago next month. Neither my stepdaughter nor oldest daughter are graduating early, but it is definitely a possiblility for my youngest daughter, who’ll be a freshman in HS next year. Definitely worth a look.</p>
<p>Re the SAT, at last night’s presentation, I did notice that the various college reps kept referring to the SAT in terms of a 1600 score. It seems they value the CR and Math far more than the writing which I had presumed, but I was surprised when they kept answering SAT related questions with numbers like 1470-1550.</p>
<p>Pamayawaa wrote:
You might want to have a look at University of North Texas and University of Houston. Both of these are US News “tier two” institutions, but we’ve already established she’s not interested in prestige. Both have honors programs to provide intellectual challenge.</p>
<p>S is interested in clinical psychology. Clinical psychology PhD programs are pretty competitive, so we’ve looked at choosing his undergrad institution with an eye toward grad school. In the process, we found a paper in the academic journal Research in Developmental Disabilities by a professor at LSU named Johnny Matson wherein the research productivity (as measured by faculty publications and citations) was assessed for all psychology departments with an APA-accredited PhD program in clinical psychology. This may have little to do with the quality of the undergraduate program at these schools, but it increases the likelihood of being able to participate in publishable clinical research as an undergrad, which could give him a leg up when applying to clinical PhD programs. How this would impact your D, I don’t know, but I thought it worth mentioning. In these rankings, UT ranked 12; UNT ranked 49; TAMU ranked 65.5 (tied for 65th); UH ranked 74; and TTU ranked 134!</p>
<p>We also looked at Fulbright grants (good resume material for prospective faculty) awarded to psychology majors. Over the time period for which we could find data (looks like 1993-2009), UMichigan and UWisconsin lead with 6; three schools had 5 each; three schools had 4 each; eight schools had 3; fifteen schools (including UNT) had 2 each; and seventy-one schools (including UH) had 1 each. Neither UT nor TAMU nor TTU made the list. There are probably too few data points to draw any conclusions from this, but it does say that at least a few neurons are firing in the psychology departments of those tier two schools.</p>
<p>Both offer full rides (or thereabout) to NMF.</p>
<p>We’re back from our visit to Carleton and it is interesting seeing it for the 2nd time with a different child. I think it was the 1st college visit older D and I took 3 years ago. I’ve seen quite a few more colleges over the last couple of years and wondered how it would hold up in comparison.</p>
<p>Their info session definitely emphasizes the smart, hard-working but slightly quirky kind of students they have. Students seemed happy and easy going. Our tour was a little casual for my taste, S thought it was good and more realistic. We had 2 student tour guides for the 2 prospies and moms who were visiting. They spent more time talking to each other than interacting with us. </p>
<p>They use the trimester system so classes start a little later in September, run until Thanksgiving and then they have a 6 week break. The next trimester starts right after the new year and then there are 2 weeks off in March. The last trimester is now in session and runs into the first part of June. Each trimester is 10 weeks long and most students take 3 classes per trimester. Class sizes are small with lots of contact with professors. </p>
<p>The campus is really beautiful, lots of green space but compact and easy to get around. It’s on the edge of the downtown area, which has a lot of nice small shops, restaurants and coffee houses. It’s an hour from the Twin Cities and they run regular shuttles so students can take advantage of activities in Mpls/St Paul.</p>
<p>S is a math/science kid and I wondered if he would like it as well as some of the more focused science and engineering schools. He actually liked it quite well and it looked like their math dept was fairly big. If it stays on his list, we’ll probably return in the fall and visit a class and interview.</p>
<p>Overall I’d say it is a very strong LAC and definitely worth a look if you are interested in that kind of a school</p>
<p>Amtc- my daughter is much better if I ignore her school work also. it is like by paying attention, I give her anxiety. I try to keep,out. except for right now she needs a couple points to get an A in civil war. I emailed the teacher. he gives credit for community service. she is currently at her grandparents cleaning their house and doing laundry. and if he doesn’t email me back soon I am going to lose it.</p>
<p>Great review, Northernwoods. Sounds like a great school.</p>
<p>Thanks, Steve. You have really done your research! My daughter thinks she wants to do the Clinical Psych PhD as well. Any other schools to recommend based on your research? She is open to anywhere geographically,and prefers an urbal school with over 2500 students. She also wants a non-competitive, friendly enviornment. </p>
<p>mimk6: Thanks for that info. Here on cc most refer to the 2400 score, so it’s interesting to know that.</p>
<p>lake42KS - Brown would be a perfect school for her except she refuses to take an SAT subject test. She might apply and submit an extra essay stating her views on the subject tests and how hypocritical it is that you can take all your classes P/F at Brown but must submit a subject test. Brown loves our high school by the way - they take 2 to 5 kids every year (and there are only about 100 seniors). We’re just a quirky school district!</p>
<p>She’s looking at Hampshire, Beloit, Pitzer, Skidmore, Knox, (if she can convince them to allow her to substitute a cultural class instead of foreign language) and a few others I can’t remember right now.</p>
<p>I feel like there’s a disconnect when people talk about their kids having a tough time on a certain portion of the SAT, but then the scores really aren’t that low. My DD has seriously struggled with the SAT Math section, and like oldfort’s daughter, she’s studied daily for months–with a tutor, on her own, etc. She’s done all 10 practice tests in the Blue Book, she’s worked with her brother (he’s a math guy with a 790 Math SAT who’s taking Calc 3/Diff. Eq. next year), but we’re not seeing great improvement. SIGH.</p>
<p>Her paid tutor said her sweet spot is around 550, which is the score she can hope to attain if she does everything right that she can do. The approach includes, as glido mentioned, knowing which answers to leave blank. By identifying those, and only working on the problems she can solve, she’s supposed to do well. The downside is that she has to get all the problems she works on correct, and she gets anxious and can’t do the work.</p>
<p>Pinot, she’s never had any formal relaxation techniques taught to her, but we’ve talked with her over the years about ways she can alleviate her nerves. It’s depressing that she’s so darn smart in general, but her SAT scores might keep her from the colleges she wants to attend. At home on practice SATs, she can score close to 800 for the Reading section–but on the actual SAT, she didn’t even reach 600, which was a shock, and it’s primarily due to her brain shutting down. Bleah.</p>
<p>And yes, it’s probably pretty evident that I’m getting more uptight the closer we get to Thursday and the release of the last SAT scores. :D</p>
<p>jenpam: i know, I am freaking out about the scores on thursday! ahhhhh! I am so scared. I keep telling myself that this is her first time and she is registered for June 4th, yet at the same time, she has a scholarship application due June 1st so those scores will go on that app. What if the math is like 400 or less??? I am praying it isn’t. I know what you are talking about when people complain about low scores. My daughter’s act math score is truly low, not like 27 or 28, lower, siginficantly. Hopefully that was a fluke. hmm… She continues to work daily with her tutor and my husband let out a big ole sigh when I gave D a $50 dollar check this am. I asked him if he would rather pay $50 now and have a realistic shot at a merit scholarship or honors college, or just plan on taking out tens of thousands in loans?? He shut up.</p>
<p>oh, and I made a complete a$$ of myself with the civil war teacher. I sent him a long rambling email regarding community service and extra credit and blah blah blah… I wasn’t upset it was just a bunch of superfluous garbage that might make him less inclined to be generous with the extra credit points. That is what happens when 1. you are neurotic like me and 2. took too many ativan this morning to try and fall asleep so you could stay awake for 11-7 shift. and 3. anxiety disorder with OCD tendency. :P</p>
<p>Good morning everyone! Wow - it looks like our thread will take a collective sigh of relief (we hope!) when the SAT results are up on Thursday. Best of luck to JenPam and mspearl and any others hoping for good news with the scores! S took one subject test, so we are waiting for that result but I don’t think it is going to have a huge result on his applications no matter what he scores. Many of the schools on his list don’t even require SAT II’s so he can just leave it off if he needs to. </p>
<p>We are surviving the end of the year push. My junior is pretty chill about it all, but my 8th grader is feeling the crunch - this is his first year in traditional schooling and so it’s his first time having finals and projects all piling up in the last week. School ends this week - yay!</p>
<p>JenPam - My D2 also had test issues. I learned, at the beginning of her senior year in HS, that most of her teachers had been giving her some extra time on tests because they thought that she had a diagnosed LD (which she didn’t). Senior year one of her teachers told me about this (she went to a small private school and I had no idea that she had been getting extra time before) and said that they could no longer give her extra time (which I had no idea she was getting) without an IEP. I took her to a school psychologist who did the hours and hours of testing and lo and behold, the kid had an undiagnosed LD. We opted to NOT have her repeat her SAT’s senior year. I had heard that it was difficult to get extra time anyhow, especially with such a late diagnosis. However, the diagnosis and concurrent paperwork was very important in terms of college exams. She gets extra time on tests and takes them in a private room at the disability center (with no distractions). </p>
<p>I think that she ended up at the right school for her in many ways. I think that our kids do end up, in the end, where they should be (even if it is not where they could be). </p>
<p>It bugs me on many levels (some are my own “demons”) that my sharp as a whip son will most likely not get into the schools that his math team/top 5% class peers will. He is just as bright as they are and took the same work load, but at this point in his maturity is not willing to work for it. I do know, that he will end up somehow, where he should (although probably not where he could). It is tough. It is frustrating. You feel for your child but you also must help them see that it will all work out. Regardless of what college now (because of low test scores) won’t make the list, there are so many others that he/she will get into and do well at. Some of the same test issues from the SAT’s (depth of material and length of test) will be faced in college with final exams. My own kids are all three completely different in learning style and personality. Although it is tough for me (I am also, like mspearl, with the anxiety/OCD issues) , I am constantly working at embracing, appreciating (even tolerating) their differences. We are all works in progress.</p>
<p>I’m happy to report that my daughter did more work last night than I ever remember her doing!!! She spent 2 hours finishing her History Through Film paper (which, with some modification will become her US History paper), spent 1 1/2 hours on her Math Problem Set, and spent 2 hours researching and outlining her AP English paper. NEVER saw her work that long or hard, maybe there’s hope?</p>
<p>Maybe I’m the only one who didn’t know but - for her AP English paper she needed more sources and found that only one was available to be checked out at a library; another one was on Amazon but cost $90 and took two weeks to get or it could be electronically downloaded onto the Kindle. I called a neighbor, she downloaded it for us and said my daughter could use it until the paper was due because she has a new iPad for ebooks. For less than $5 my daughter got the book instantly and has fallen in love with the Kindle for textbooks and research. She says that she can highlight and make notes and they are all organized right there for her. Because of her Dyslexia this has always been a problem for her, it’s why she couldn’t take APUSH which she would have loved, if only I had known. Of course not every book is available for Kindle, one she needs for this paper is only available in the Reference Room of the midtown Manhattan library (we’ll be going there on Saturday), but it certainly helps for those that are available. Anyway, thought I’d pass that tidbit on to you all, in case it helps!</p>
<p>great post, seiclan!</p>
<p>pamayawaa: What I call my “good data” is an equally-weighted composite of Matson’s faculty productivity ranking, US News’ clinical psychology graduate ranking, and the new NRC clinical psychology ranking. In its current form, it reflects S’s geographic preference (midwest and northeast). I’m going to crunch some more numbers to get the entire US. I’ll share that with you when I do.</p>
<p>From what we have now, he’ll probably apply to Yale and Penn as reaches/crapshoots. Rochester is maybe a match, but too selective to take for granted. We might call Pitt and Minnesota safeties. Minnesota has good merit aid for OOS national merit; Pitt has good merit aid for OOS gpa + test scores (non-national merit); Rochester has a half-tuition national merit. We had to eliminate Wisconsin and Illinois, among others, because of lack of OOS merit aid.</p>
<p>This gets really limiting when you realize there are only 157 APA-accredited clinical PhD programs. I’ve suggested to him identifying the LACs he’s interested in and writing to their psychology department chairs to ask whether recent graduates have been placed in clinical programs and if so where.</p>
<p>Good luck to your D!</p>
<p>JenPam & MSPearl: Too reduce SAT pressure my D will likely to apply to mostly SAT optional schools:</p>
<p>[Optional</a> List | FairTest](<a href=“http://fairtest.org/university/optional]Optional”>ACT/SAT Optional List - Fairtest)</p>
<p>Her SATs (taken twice–essentially the same scores again) just don’t reflect her abilities well. She has great grades & ECs (and thinks she did well on her recent APs and SAT IIs tests). So I promised her that she doesn’t have to deal with the SAT again (she would need to raise her SATs 100 points in each section to be a top applicant at each of her prospective colleges–not very likely, we think). So we are just focusing on colleges where she will shine in admissions as is. The list of test optional schools is long and includes some of the best in the country. The only negative (and it is a big one) is that merit aid will be scarce w/out the submission of strong SAT scores. I accept this now and so does D…with the expectation that D will hold a summer job now and in the years to come to help out.</p>
<p>PN- How funny. My 8th grader has had no school work for the past 3 weeks. (They had a French final, but spent a week studying for it in school - it was only an hour 15 minute exam!) My Jr. is seriously overloaded and I hope she’s stressed out about the research paper due Friday that she hasn’t done any substantial work on yet. She did spend the weekend on the research.</p>
<p>We actually had an interesting talk this weekend, and at the end of it, she’s narrowed her college list down to 13 schools. She took off 2 school she loves, but that don’t really have programs in one of the areas where she has strong interest. She’s a little sad about it, but has come to the conclusion that it doesn’t make sense to go to a school that won’t let her at least minor in that area. Even though she really doesn’t want to commit to a field of study, and I can’t blame her.</p>
<p>I think it’s fine to leave the list at 13 for the moment. DH would like the list smaller.</p>