Parents of the HS Class of 2012 - Original

<p>Hi, sons SAT scores are in and they are exactly the same as January except he flipped his score on CR with CW. In January he had 680 on CR and this time he received 760 and the reverse for CW went down from 760 to 680. Math same both times(740). He’s disappointed with Math and wants to retake in fall (we don’t think thats necessary). We are relieved because I think his superscore is in a better range for his choices. But , I have a question about that. I generally thought a “Superscore” means that the colleges just “add” your highest scores from different dates. However, when I was reading college board this morning it appears you can’t send individual test scores you have to send dates. I understand the score practice for certain colleges (Columbia for instance) is they require you to send all scores. But does anyone understand the difference between what college board calls highest score version 1 and version 2? They seem the same to me…maybe I need to have another cup of coffee.</p>

<p>I read version 1 and 2 as essentially the same from the student’s perspective. Both policies count the highest scores across test dates, however, version 2 schools REALLY want all of the scores so that the superscore is the highest possible. This may be because these schools are pushing to make their admissions SAT averages as high as possible.</p>

<p>pearl - my suggestion to your daughter is that she try to find the “trick” as she solves the problem. It sounds like she’s getting caught in a trap when the answers are similar, for example, .01,1.0, 1. She may be unsure of her math so she goes for the similar answer. She should look for strategies that help recognize the most common traps. I wonder if doing the problem without looking at the answer choices first would help? Do you think the answer choices plant a seed of uncertainty, especially because of her test anxiety?</p>

<p>mspearl - If your daughter has better scores in ACT, then it is better to go with ACT and ignore SAT altogether. One other thing you can do between now and next Saturday is to figure out what type of problems she is getting consistently wrong and work on only those areas.</p>

<p>S2012D2017 - commonapp requires you to put down your dates for each subsection when you choose best scores from multiple dates. So if you had three different dates for SAT where your kid did well one area, then even with score choice, you will need to send scores for all areas for those three dates. I dont believe there is a way to send just one of the three scores from three different dates because from what I noticed when I tried to choose, it allows choosing a date and not a score.</p>

<p>I had forgotten SAT scores were out this morning - after being on pins and needles the last few days! DS did a really wonderful job, coming up 140 points for a total of 2340! He felt great that day, but you just never know. </p>

<p>Thanks for indulging my “mom brag.” Although I feel awkward posting his score, it feels odd not to when all of you have been so forthcoming, whether good news or bad…DS has plenty of challenges - he’s got a bit of Asperger’s, is hopelessly disorganized, and is an utter klutz (no sports for him). His grades are NOT in line with his scores - which will make his college hunt “interesting.”</p>

<p>For those wondering about the “12 in 10 days” - we’re believers! The first time, he got a 6 - pretty abysmal for a generally strong writer. He did indeed get a 12 this time. So maybe the method is simplistic - he resisted using it - but it works.</p>

<p>To bring up his other scores, he used “shmoop,” a prep website. It’s pretty affordable, and did the trick (granted, they were pretty strong to begin with). He used it for his AP language review as well, so it will be interesting to see how he did on that.</p>

<p>Yes, it looks like act will be the test (57th percentile act math versus 26th percentile sat math) but She is taking the sat again since we already paid and then act on the 11th. My gut feeling though, is that next time will be higher.</p>

<p>Her calculator was on the wrong settings that day, though she says that made no difference. She also went into it with ZERO studying except about 1 hour of math the night before. Considering, I actually think her reading score is exceptional. She also said she just didn’t feel like she was mentally prepared. She was almost late, forgot her admission ticket and dad had to drive half hour to give it to her. Didn’t get there until after the test started…just a bad day.</p>

<p>Honestly, after thinking about it, I am confident her score will be higher this time. The math tutor is fantastic…best 10 dollars an hour I ever spent. Finals are over so this next week we will do practice tests. And if she doesn’t score better than we have the act where her reading and English were about perfect. It is just frustrating because I would love to have that 700 count…I guess I thought she would have a better time with the math on sat…I was very very wrong. </p>

<p>Oh math…why does she have my terrible math genes??? It is frustrating to think how good she is in humanities/ language and even science…bio and Chem…not physics!!! I am positive she has inherited my deficient math,brain. Lol. And no one is going to tell me this is all test anxiety etc… it isn’t. It is a deficiency of some synapse, neural connection, nervous system physiology. I guess there comes a time when you just have to accept that and be thankful for other talents. She can walk on her hands, do full twists, aerials and standing back tucks. Maybe we will show that to colleges!!! Lol. :stuck_out_tongue: either that, or she has a very promising career in the circus!!! Or maybe the Dallas cowboy cheerleaders!!</p>

<p>Thanks for the encouragement and advice guys!!</p>

<p>Congrats everyone on good news. When do CB send scores to colleges? Do they release them to colleges at the same as we get them? </p>

<p>To someone who asked about National Latin Exam upthread; The result came out a while ago. It takes sometime medals get distributed tho.</p>

<p>Pghmomof2 - that is an excellent score. congrats to your son. </p>

<p>igloo - I believe they send them after they put out the report to us about what the scores mean (i.e., breakdown of what were wrong, right etc). My kid’s high school claims the scores are received after 3 weeks by the school and so colleges should probably be in 1-2 weeks after the final report (not what was released yesterday but what is coming out on June 1st). </p>

<p>Mspearl - while doing practice tests it is very important to mimic the conditions. So take the tests about the same time of the day, time it exactly (change sections at the appropriate times, take the appropriate breaks when it says so, with no distractions ( turn off phones, music etc) you do get a score that is within 50 points overall of the actual score. If she takes 3 of them over next week, you will be certain of the expected outcome before you go to the test. One thing you must do is go over the wrong answers and figure out why it was answered incorrectly. </p>

<p>I did this with younger kid last year for DukeTIP 7th grade exam, and although the kid felt the scores were lower in the actual test (I was also hoping for better!) my expected outcome was within 30 points.</p>

<p>About a week after the test I think. That’s the last date you can change what schools you send them to (ie last day for June 4 SAT is June 13) </p>

<p>Thanks about NLE. Guess I didn’t make it if my teacher didn’t say anything.</p>

<p>CPU our school doesn’t tell NLE award winner until “Awards night”-- coming up this Tuesday. Your school may well do something similar so don’t lose all hope! </p>

<p>Congratulations to all great and good SATs! To those who are disappointed…we are all in such a heightened state of worry and anticipation-- that a few answers on a standardized test should mean so much is just…wrong! I wish USNWR would just cease with their rankings and the pressure it puts on colleges to consider statistics instead of whole people.</p>

<p>D did fine on SAT II’s-- nothing to write home about but since she’s only applying to one college that requires them she is done, a nice feeling. She started her summer job last night and had such a great time, came home to say it’s perfect, all great people having a blast working together and good pay too. She’s in the box office at a cabaret and gets to meet the performers, etc. She was so happy and of course nothing thrills me more. After getting Mspearl’s good news about the civil war test I was thinking that we are all so aware of our kid’s hopes and disappointments, even more than we are of our own! And here we are, aware that they’re facing this huge gauntlet next year… very nice we have each other.</p>

<p>It was a hectic night. D2 was traveling from Mexico up to Ithaca for D1’s graduation by herself. Her flight from EWR to Ithaca was cancelled at 10pm due to the weather. Continental would not help to get her a hotel, told me she could stay at the airport to wait for the next flight, 2 days from now. Luckily I had the foresight to give her a credit card and I was able to get a room for her. H drove 4 hours last night to pick her up. They just walked through the door. Now we are off to the convocation. </p>

<p>Getting the SAT II scores was a bit anti-climatic. D1 got over 700 for literature, and that’s all we were looking for. She is taking math II next SAt, and she feels good about it. She will decide over the summer if she would take SAT I again in the fall.</p>

<p>Gwen Fairfax- thanks! I think I recall last year that my Latin teacher told us at a mini awards ceremony in the class room. Fingers crossed. </p>

<p>The end of the year is stressful. June 23 cannot come any faster.</p>

<p>oldfort, I don’t think I’m sending DS on Continental…ever! I can’t believe they would expect a teenager (don’t know how old, but still…) to camp out in the airport for 2 days.</p>

<p>I meant D2 got her SAT score back, not D1. D2 is a junior like everyone on this thread, so she wasn’t a young person, but still, to expect a teen stay at an airport over night…</p>

<p>Oldfort – How frightening! United (now also Continental) has been canceling flights like crazy in the past year or so. It’s insane. So much bad will.</p>

<p>I just checked the CB web site, and it appears that the May scores have been sent to colleges. I guess that makes it real.</p>

<p>Will a poor score on an SAT 2 count against a candidate for admission? DS took 3 SAT 2’s on two different dates. He does not intend to retake them. About 5 of his high reach schools require he submit 2 SAT 2’s. If he submits all three (in other words, we don’t do the paperwork for score choice and just have them send everything), will it penalize him? His scores were Math 2:790, Chemistry:700, Physics: 620.<br>
Also, if a school dosen’t ask for SAT 2’s but says they will look at them if submitted, should we only send the math score?</p>

<p>Even though most colleges that require SAT 2’s state that they only look at the top 2 scores even if more are sent, I would only send the highest 2 scores (unless the college requires that all of them be sent or all the scores are extremely high). My guess is that it will not hurt when the numbers are added up, however a particular college does this, but that it may be a very small factor when the admissions officer is looking at the application as a whole. Good question about whether to send the Chemistry score if not required. I suppose that for me it would depend on the particular college and whether I thought that college would be impressed by the score.</p>

<p>mspearl: I’m with texaspg on this one–she’s established that the ACT is “her” test. I don’t know of a school that won’t take either, so unless there’s a reason to take another SAT (confirming PSAT performance for National Merit, for instance), I wouldn’t.</p>

<p>Her instinct with respect to the tests is very good. The SAT is designed to be a “reasoning” test where the ACT is more of an “achievement” test. SAT tends to have a more contorted thought process where ACT tends to be more straightforward. I also tend to think it’s more coachable for that very reason. </p>

<p>Stick with the tutor and do tons of practice tests under simulated test conditions. Go over each and understand why she missed each of the questions she missed. At this stage of the game, avoid prep books that use what I call the “remember, o man, thou art mortal” approach (Barrons, Gary Gruber, for example) and go with something like Kaplan that will let her build confidence.</p>

<p>Thanks Mizz Bee.:slight_smile:
GHWM</p>

<p>Seiclan: I would send the math and the chem.
Pghmomof2: wow, 2340 is a big number - congrats!</p>

<p>Most colleges superscore themselves. You can send all of your SAT scores, they will print the top CR and M scores on the outside of the folder.</p>

<p>DD’12 did well on the USHist SAT2. She has EngLit next Saturday. She has taken the SAT twice and is done. EngLit will be her 4th SAT2 - she will send the highest two and be done with testing. Essays this summer.</p>