<p>the calculation that the coaches at two different Ivy’s walked through with us uses only two SAT II’s. I feel fairly confident in that formula. Both schools also told us that the SAT II’s would only be taken into account if they brought up the average. If not, they would use SAT’s only to compute the AI.
There is a NY Times article from the spring which has the same info that we were told by the coaches.</p>
<p>Ama308–that family is full of you know what. Ivy’s don’t give athletic scholarships or merit :D. With DD’s sport she is most likely looking at a 1/2 scholarship, meaning half of the total cost of the school–tuition, room/board, fees. It’s rare to get a full ride in her sport unless you are a top 100 player in the nation or so. She is the top recruit at all of her choices so she should get a 1/2 where some of the other players may split a 1/2 and get a 1/4th.</p>
<p><a href=“Before Athletic Recruiting in the Ivy League, Some Math - The New York Times”>Before Athletic Recruiting in the Ivy League, Some Math - The New York Times;
<p>this is the article that has the formula. I hope I did the link correctly.</p>
<p><a href=“Before Athletic Recruiting in the Ivy League, Some Math - The New York Times”>Before Athletic Recruiting in the Ivy League, Some Math - The New York Times;
<p>Is something wrong with the list? No posts on a Saturday morning??</p>
<p>Greekmana - I know, right? I kept refreshing on my phone. Everyone must be busy! Enjoy your weekend, all! Countdown to midnight tomorrow is just over 36 hours…</p>
<p>I don’t get the index…I tried understanding it but guess I’m just ****
Could someone explain to me…based on act comp 31, english 32, math 30…thanks…school doesn’t do gpa</p>
<p>Ama: I played around with the AI back when I read the Hernandez book in the Spring, and I played around with it again last night. I can’t really figure out the voodoo about using the ACT’s (the best explanation I saw was to use the conversion chart to take the composite ACT score to an SAT score & use that for all 3 spots.) No matter which way I figure it, D’s AI ends up converting to a 5 on the 1-9 ranking which Hernandez says “is average in the Ivy League pool.” She goes on to have a chapter on AP scores where she states “even if a student’s AI placed him in the academic 5 or 6 category, the adcom would probably boost the academic rating to a 7 because of excellent AP scores” (her examples were 2 5’s and a 4.) After reading all the chapters, I think D would get a boost up to a 6. </p>
<p>Honestly though, that ends up being the same in my mind as when I looked at their admitted student stats & figured out where D fell compared to their middle 25-75% of test scores & gpa. My own personal voodoo thinks that a 1 or 2 academic ranking is = being below the 25% of a school’s published enrolled student scores, 3 or 4 is 26%-midrange of scores, 5 or 6 is the midrange to 75% of scores, 7, 8 & 9 are the 75% & above but the 8’s & 9’s are the ones with the super academic hooks (she says 9’s are the top 1% of their applicant pool.)</p>
<p>I think AI is really helpful for athletes (why is what it was designed for anyway) to see if they even have a chance of being recruited at that level.</p>
<p>Thanks Rob…You are our numbers guru :)</p>
<p>I don’t really care too much as mine is not playing competitively in College
but it interesting how all this stuff is figured out…</p>
<p>Ama, I tried to figure it out with ds1 and gave up. I’m definitely not Ivy material.</p>
<p>But this just looks at the numbers? How do you account for other things – legacy, URM, development?</p>
<p>If anyone wants a visit report for Hopkins, let me know.</p>
<p>Head cold, slept in, and busy morning! S’13 has been in his room working on essays since this morning - making progress I hope!</p>
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<p>Exactly! S13 has an AI of 9 according to these calculator, but he doesnt have any hooks. Now Im sure if he was a recruited athlete, it would help. He doesnt have his eyes on any ivies anyway. </p>
<p>Amazhon what did you think of Hopkins. We did self tour a couple of years ago, but just couldnt get past the surrounding area.</p>
<p>Ama - don’t know how you’d do it with out GPA or rank. Do you know what decile she’s in?</p>
<p>YDS…remember this is for athletes…
and let’s not forget you have to have your kid at all the camps in front of these coaches…
and you better have started this in the 9th grade…
unless your kid is in the top% of athletes in the country and gets a lot of press so that the coaches seek them out…
But what happens if they get accepted and can’t hack the academics?
Are they excused from failing?
Do they then have to spend their College experience in the library and with tutors while their friends are having a good time…
what does that do their feeling of self worth? </p>
<p>MommyDearest…the school doesn’t rank or do GPA…and they have several Ivy acceptances every year…they do promote the Colleges that are the best Fit for the student…Ivy or not…
I was just trying to figure out the numbers in that senario…
Granted numbers count for a lot…but …it the whole package that counts :)</p>
<p>Amazhon…would Love to hear about Hopkins…I know a girl applying and I don’t see her there but maybe you could shed some light on it that I could convey to her… 
Thanks</p>
<p>Actually the AI goes up to 240 then the academic rating # is generated from that. Hernandez makes it sound like the 7,8 &9’s are close for stats but those intangibles are really in play for them. Not home so I can’t check right now, but I’ll look later.</p>
<p>Here is how I understand from a coach that the AI to works. Say IVY college has an average AI of 221 for their admitted students. Coach is required by the college to keep the average of his team’s AI within one standard deviation of the overall average AI. Let’s just say this number is 210. Therefore, if he recruits a great athlete with an AI of 180, he needs to recruit other athletes at higher AI’s to balance out and reach the 210 team average. </p>
<p>For recruited athletes who get likely letters based on coach interest, their gpa, and their SAT scores, this AI makes sense. For those athletes the essay and EC’s and all else are irrelevant. They are pre-approved before their applications are sent in.</p>
<p>For everyone else, it really shouldn’t matter what their AI is. Admissions is reviewing their application, transcripts, reading their recomms and essays and looking at their EC’s and other stuff.</p>
<p>anyone else notice that proudparent made the same posts plugging his link multiple times?</p>
<p>What is HMFR? I feel I am missing something meaningful!!!</p>
<p>HMFR = Huge M*<strong><em>er F</em></strong>ing Reach</p>
<p>Today I went to Quinnipiac’s open house. I’ve already visited Quinnipiac once before, and today made me love it even more. It’s definitely one of my favorite universities!</p>
<p>I got a chance to talk to the dean of the communications school and she gave me her contact information. Then she gave me a private tour of the communications school and explained to me what they planned on doing with the new renovation, and it was just really cool. We talked about different software programs and basically had a venting session about the new imovie and how one version of final cut isn’t supporting the new one and yeah. It was awesome. And I know that sounds like a weird thing to talk about, but it was just so cool talking to someone who’s in the business (she’s a journalist) and understands what I’m talking about!</p>
<p>Anyway, tonight I’m staying home to work on my 17 essays(I realized last night that I still have to write my extra curricular essay for the Common App) and to study for my big APES quiz on Monday. Not to mention, my bank hasn’t processed my check nor do I have much gas in my car, so I don’t really have any reason to go out tonight.</p>
<p>Wooo senior yearrrrrr</p>