Parents of the HS Class of 2017 (Part 1)

Reading all of those CA GPA posts and knowing about the SRARs, can I just say that it makes me sad that kids are reduced to a computer program spitting out a number on the other end of their application. :frowning:

Maybe it is just me, but I do no believe that human beings are so easily quantified. I found the entire discussion depressing. Motivated kids working hard and taking classes that they enjoy and thrive taking is subservient to a computer generated classification. And the result of the Sylverster McMonkey McBean machine decides who gets a star upon thars.

It puts me in a Dickens of a mood. (Sorry, couldnt resist.) :-S. It reminds me of a computerized version of Dicken’s Gradgrind. Poor girl number 20, raised in a barn around horses bc her father is a horse trainer, can’t define a horse, but knows them intimately, is belittled for not knowing anything about one of the most common animals. Boy who can give textbook definition is praised for knowing everything about horses. Institutionalized quantification at its finest.

@2muchquan I need a JOTD.

@CA1543 My son went to the National Computer Camp 3 years when he was younger in Cleveland. Then in 2008 or 09 it was canceled the week before it was to start because they didn’t have enough kids signed up. He taught at the camp this summer for two weeks in Atlanta. Its not fancy but I think the kids do learn a lot (or at least can learn a lot – this summer my son saw several kids who learned little because they were unwilling to try).

Other than that camp, nothing academic for either of my kids in the summer.

@Mom2aphysicsgeek --I agree with so much of what you say – my DS17 is beyond curious about so many things - I have been sad many times to see him have to stop doing things he loves to concentrate his efforts on “making the grade” is some rigorous course he does not really enjoy but feels obligated to trudge through. At least he held on to orchestra and a few ECs he has really enjoyed. Hopefully the personalities of the students will come out through their applications (essays, supps etc.), though many college seem mostly focused on the numbers.

@2muchquan – I second the request for a JOTD!!

JOTD:
What did the buffalo say to his son when he left for college, which was just a lower CalState school because his UC GPA was low?

Bison.

@Mom2aphysicsgeek - I feel like we’ve come full circle back to the time not-so-long-ago when I joined this fair group with my full-fledged anti-AP rant.

Edit: Posted before JOTD. Many thanks, @2muchquan!

QOTA: (summer camps) D17 did Duke TiP all four years, then did the Governor’s Honors Program this summer for software engineering. That last camp changed her fundamentally and really lit the fire in her for college. It brought tears to both of our eyes to hear her talk about it on the way home-how excited she was to go to college now, and how she knew what she wanted to do and how much she liked her engineering team. It was amazing. TiP was fun for her, but it’s not one of those things she did for college creds, it was just a lot of fun, and she made a lot of friends.

D18 did Tip 3 years (this is her last year). Her first year of eligibility she took the SAT cold (because she wouldn’t listen to her mom) and bombed it. She then got mad, studied for the ACT, and made it for the next year. I don’t think she’ll try for GHP because she does not have the GPA to be eligible for it, so I don’t know yet what she’ll do the summer after her junior year.

I don’t know what D17 will do next year for summer, either, but I’m assuming, since neither likes to sit around for more than a few weeks, that they’ll figure something out.

@CT1417 wrote

I bet they’d love it-they seem to have a fairly mischievous sense of humor at that school.

So far the College Swear Jar has remained empty, although I had a close call yesterday. D17 and I were watching Mythbusters over lunch, and they were showing the super slo mo camera as they blew stuff up (which was very cool). I was walking into the kitchen and I said over my shoulder “your dad met the guy who invented the original slow mo camera at M…coughcoughcoughack”. Yeah, I almost said the word “MIT”. She didn’t catch it. The jar is pristine. :smiley:

You all are busy! Still on the road but about to return home and I am far behind on campus visit reports. But first:

@dfbdfb Many thanks for the detailed report on Alabama. D17 wilts in the heat and humidity so southern schools are out, too bad. Sounds like there is much to offer there.

@2muchquan Grinnell doesn’t have a dance program with enough depth to fill D17’s needs. So unfortunately, it didn’t make her short list. A shame as visiting would have involved only a short detour.

QOTD: Personally I prefer semesters over quarters. But it’s not enough to eliminate a school from consideration.

Likelies/Matches/Reaches: Right now, she’s honing in on a total of 8-9 applications, 2-3 safeties, 1-2 uber reaches, and 3-4 matches.

College Report of the Day - Kenyon:

If you want to live in a bucolic bubble and subsist on the heady life of the mind, this may well be your place. The campus is beautiful with a mix of historic stone buildings and some newer structures. The science center is new and impressive; the dining hall looks like Hogwarts, and the campus has a Chilully glass sculpture on display. The town, as we were told in advance, is tiny, consisting of a post office, a bank, a market only a bit larger than a 7-11, a deli, a coffee shop, the college bookstore and the Kenyon Inn, which offers the town’s only upscale restaurant. Mount Vernon, with more shopping options including the usual big box stores and other staples like Chipotle and Starbucks, is a short distance away with free hourly shuttles. Farther to the north is Amish country with lovely farms, antique shops, hand-crafted furniture, etc.

Our student tour guide was a funny, unpretentious, charming young woman from Zambia. The tour was the usual round of academic buildings, as described above. The library was inviting; the “typical dorm room” was on the small side. The school has an impressive 400 acre environmental center that also serves as an educational space and an organic farm where students can live and work. There is a single meal plan - free access to the dining hall whenever you wish.

The info session was pretty typical although the admissions officer used an ungrammatical expression repeatedly while also emphasizing how much Kenyon emphasized good writing. Oops!

Both he and the student guide emphasized that the relative isolation is not an issue for the student population because it attracts students that are seeking that tight-knit community experience, rather than external stimulation. The range of speakers and events that come to campus is impressive. A significant percentage of students do some study abroad.

Our regional admissions officer took the trouble to introduce herself and visited with my daughter for a few minutes. They had a good conversation. Her interview was with a current student - it was described as an informal “conversation” but she felt as though it was more structured than some others that she would do over the week.

Swag: we got a free copy of the Kenyon Review

Conclusions and Why College Visits may be Important:

One thing that has become clear to me on this trip is that my daughter is very sensitive to place. She is an introvert and prefers suburban or rural places to dense urban ones. Some cities are OK, some instill some anxiety. I have also learned that a college that is integrated into the surrounding town and is walkable/bikeable is also very important to her. In the end, while she was attracted to the academic offerings at Kenyon, the town of Gambier was simply too small and isolated and felt a bit claustrophobic to her.

@mamaedefamilia “very sensitive to place”. That’s such a good phrase! Some people really are sensitive to place (I’m one of them). Some people really can “bloom where planted”. I don’t think either one is superior to the other, but knowing what type you are is pretty important!

@mamaedefamilia - DS is also applying to only couple of southern colleges due to same reason ie heat and humidity.

@mamaedefamilia Great and timely review! We are scheduled for a Kenyon visit next week. We were just talking yesterday about canceling for reasons you mentioned, among others. Great school, I hate to see it come off the list. And, one of few LACs with a Neuroscience major. We’ll see.

I thought you may say your tour guide was from Kenya, but that would be too ironic.

@mamaedefamilia My D feels this way as well!

Does USC give the California bump as well?

S prefers an urban campus although not a requirement.
Some we visited:
Boston University (yes)
Tufts (no)
RPI (yes, is this urban? certainly not rural)
CU Boulder (yes, in-state safety)
CO School of Mines (yes, in-state)

UT Austin (in-state tuition)

Yet to visit:
Northeastern
CWRU
U Pittsburgh

We would not consider but some other urban campuses I thought of:
NYU, Macalester

Any other great non-reach (>25% acceptance) urban schools in non-southern non-CA location? (that is, places with awful weather :wink: )

@payn4ward I definitely consider Troy (where RPI is) urban and my college is also in Troy. Then again, I’m from the suburbs.

The UC GPA calculations are completely specific to the state schools only. We didn’t consider them at all when dd was making her course selections. Because she’s in the IB Program she actually had a fairly rigid track anyways. I see now that they are easily manipulated if that is your focus.

@payn4ward - My DS is also applying for BU RPI (RPI/Albany BS/MD). Can you please share your thoughts on RPI. He received rensselaer medal, so no application fees. That’s our only fees waiver :slight_smile: 1 is our luck # (1 fees waiver, 1 college visit, 1 attempt on standardized tests) :slight_smile:

@payn4ward I suppose it depends on how one wishes to define urban versus suburban. I consider University of Washington to be urban, some might argue suburban. Seattle University (well regarded Jesuit school, definitely non reach) on the other hand, a mere 10 minutes from the UW is definitely considered urban. I could ride my bike or run between the two.

I also consider it a great non reach academically for many of the kids on this thread. Geographically it may be a reach for many, comfort zone wise and OOS financially is likely another story!

Non Southern and Non CA.

@CA1543 – my son also attended NCC held on the Fairfield U campus. He returned for a second year, but was not interested in teaching there the following year, so I guess I would say he enjoyed it to a point. I think much of the ‘fun’ was attending with a couple of friends and being able to discuss programming 24/7.

@payn4ward How about IU Bloomington? We have not visited yet, but hear a ton of good things about Bloomington. That is not quite Southern. Temple? Illinois Tech (aka Illinois Institute of Technology) :smiley:

@payn4ward Depends on your definition of great. Drexel University can be great if your child wants to study Game Design, Music Production and a couple of others.

Summer Programs - my child has attended Middlebury-Monterey Language Academy for Arabic @ Oberlin on scholarship and this past summer she attended UPenn Neuroscience Academy as a scholarship commuter student. The Neuroscience Academy was great as it help her solidify that she wants to pursue that field.