Parents of the HS Class of 2017 (Part 1)

Macalester campus visit:

For those of you who are still with me, here’s another lengthy report. The 5th of 6!

We (I) drove just over 500 miles to get to Mac, leaving early from the outskirts of St. Louis to arrive in St. Paul by the early evening. En route we stopped in Iowa City for lunch and a break. For anybody considering the University of Iowa, the campus is attractive and the city seems very livable. The area immediately adjacent to campus had a nice mix of shops and modestly priced restaurants. I know very little about the U of Iowa, save for the fine reputation of its writing and dance programs. :slight_smile:

Upon arriving at Macalester College, we were immediately impressed by its surrounding neighborhood. To the north is Summit Avenue, reputedly boasting the longest uninterrupted stretch of Victorian homes in the US. If you walk to the west for about a half hour, you will hit the Mississippi River and an extensive network of biking and walking trails. Just shy of the river is the University of St. Thomas, an idyllic campus consisting of classic-looking stone buildings. In the early evening, large numbers of people were cycling along the broad avenue in the dedicated bike lanes, walking their dogs, strolling about. It had a great community feel. To the south of campus is Grand Avenue, a commercial street with the usual college staples – coffee and tea shops, restaurants and bars, independent book stores, gas stations, art supply shops, etc. Oh yes, St. Paul City Ballet is right there, too! There is a Whole Foods nearby but I didn’t lay eyes on it.

The campus itself is compact and attractive but not drop dead gorgeous. Most of the buildings are 20th century brick structures, pleasant enough but not architecturally distinctive. There are a few older structures dating from the 19th century on the main old quad. The dorms are older but the rooms are more spacious than many of the renovated, modernized dorms I have seen. The science building was up to date and it was interesting to note the pictures of chemistry graduates over the years – real racial and gender diversity represented. The athletic center is gorgeous with a ¼ mile indoor track, a necessity given the cold winters. We were told that some professors hold walking office hours there! In contrast, the center for civic engagement had almost a cluttered feel, as though people were more interested in what they were doing than maintaining appearances. I found this oddly refreshing after having seen a number of extremely posh campus over the years – I wonder how much of the decorating fund could have been spent on more direct educational needs.

The presentation was organized differently than many and I found it really effective. A young admissions officer and a Mac grad spoke for about 10 minutes about Mac’s advantageous location with respect to internships, the arts, and career opportunities. Incidentally the Twin Cities has the largest urban Native American population in the US. She rattled off some impressive statistics: 1st in nation per capita for NSF grants, 90% acceptance for med school; 79% for law, and 75% overall go on to advanced degrees. For a LAC, it is more diverse than the norm, both for domestic students of color and international students. She spoke about Mac’s emphasis on civic engagement and how to pursue community service in a tactful and sensitive way. It was neither pretentious or PC sanctimonious; instead it felt very sincere in an understated way. She then opened the floor to questions and when the tempo flagged, she introduced a topic that hadn’t yet been covered like study abroad, the distribution requirements, and the nature of interdisciplinary courses.

The campus tour came next and students and parents were divided into different groups of maybe 10-12 people each. This was a nice size and was the typical tour of science building, student center, sample dorm room, athletic center, musical performance space (very impressive!), library, etc., much of which I’ve already described above.

Next up was a student panel with two rising sophomores – a very articulate Vietnamese man with purple hair and a 1st generation Latino fellow from the south side of Chicago. A third presenter was a recent graduate, a white woman from Berkeley. This was also a combination of set topics and open ended questions. They seemed like smart, socially engaged, unpretentious students. My daughter’s interview with an admissions officer took place during the student panel. It lasted about a half an hour.

The tour concluded with lunch in the dining hall with the students who had participated in the morning’s activities. We got vouchers. The food was typical dining hall fare, not great, but edible. Given that it was summer (there were many summer youth programs on campus), the selections were more limited than normal. That said, I doubt students come to Mac for the food!

Conclusion: My daughter (and I) really liked this school. It seems to have a very clear sense of itself and the kind of community it values. Many of those values happen to resonate with my kid. The location has a lot to offer both in terms of leisure and work opportunities. As for the cold winters, well, she has experienced bitter cold and if asked to choose, would take it over humid heat any day.

Is everyone talking about free parking when they go on tours? I’ve never had to pay to park on a college tour. Often one needs to follow directions presisely and park only in the designated lot and have to run back to the car to put the permit in the car. It helps if you have reregistered for the tour. We’ve only toured 4 this past year, but we visited over 12 schools with DD of all sorts of types. Large state school, small state school, small LA, art schools.)

@Ynotgo – I drove my son up to move in for his first day of school on Aug 21st two years ago. This year the freshmen arrive for move-in on Aug 18th, so select your school carefully if you need to see the eclipse!

And no kidding about the parking at Berkeley. I am glad I was not the only one annoyed by that. Completely unhelpful, and while I am an avid walker, this was not convenient at all. I had to double back to add money to the parking system (poor planning on my part.) I think Stanford charged also and the vastness of that place had me seeking directions from the grounds crew.

Otherwise parking has been mixed. Lucked out with 9am spot in only MIT lot. Quarters in a meter right outside admissions at the other school in Cambridge. Forgot about paying at Tufts but did miss the signs for the garage and had to double back. Columbia—$60 for a few hours, but that’s NYC. Princeton----could not find the parking for the life of me. Ended up in grad student housing parking, tried moving car to where admissions suggested, never found the correct lot, so parked at the local train station. Cheap and plentiful parking there, so anyone touring Princeton, just park at the train station. (I was shocked as there is a ten year wait for train parking in my town.) Hopkins–walked from hotel. UW charged a surprising amount given the size of the campus. Yale–I just grab a meter wherever I find one, but I am up there a bit.

Poll: Did your '17 child spend the summer

C. Traveling - mission trip, etc.–Not unless you count upcoming college visits

D. Summer school (local or online at home)–he is always taking courses on line and usually hides that fact from me during the school year. I believe he is trying to teach himself linear algebra for his research.

E. Working–not working but he taught a five session programming class at the library to a group of ten to twelve HS students. I really wanted him to get a job tutoring just so that he could learn what it is like to work.

F. Hanging out with friends–yes, seemingly far too much for the first four weeks of summer but I now realize that is b/c everyone was home at the same time. Socializing massively curtailed as they no longer have critical mass.

G. Other – conducting some sort of cryptography research with a professor at Yale. He does this from home with occasional Skype updates with the prof.

UCSB- we registered for the tour and the instructions told you how to buy a permit, and how much it would be. No freebies there. Same at Cal Poly SLO and UCSD.

Poll: Did your '17 child spend the summer
A. At a summer program offered at a local college: no
B. At a summer program offered at a college away from home: nyet
C. Traveling - mission trip, etc.: 3 College visit to Boston only.
D. Summer school (local or online at home): nada
E. Working: yes 8:15-2:30 M-F at a camp, 4 hours Thus, 8 hours Sun + about 1/2 the Saturdays at Hippotherapy center, (too much in my parental view)
F. Hanging out with friends: not enough, but some.
G. Other (please specify)

Poll:

Mostly E - Working. She is working 40 hours a week on an internship at a government power agency. Has long commute, comes home tired, and reports that “adulting is hard”. (But loves it. It has been a fantastic experience.)
Some F - Hanging out with Friends. Only on weekends, because she is tired from adulting.
Looking forward to some C - Traveling. We have upcoming visits to Alabama, Central Florida, and Oklahoma.

Parking Passes - So far we been given passes. I was surprised when scheduling our upcoming UCF trip that we will have to pay for parking. Only $5, but still. Doesn’t feel like a friendly welcome.

Senior Trip - I would love to do this! I could see it being the “last family trip” while both my kids are still home. But I will probably not be able to make this happen. I foresee Accepted Student visits taking up all of my travel budget and most of my vacation days.

@VickiSoCal I must be remembering. We saw Cal Poly last year. Thinking back about it maybe they did ask, but they were the only ones. None of the Oregon Schools did. But I do remember Cal State Long Beach did NOT require payment and neither did Sonoma State when we toured 5 years ago.

Suggestion based on something that has happened to us today. Run a check on your DS or DD’s credit scores & social security number. Just found out that my older D12’s has had someone using her social security # for years. We have been trying to verify this for the past few hours. I can now confidently say its a MAJOR problem. We financed her college education partly through the bank of grandparents so we stupidly never did this before. Will run this on S17’s tomorrow after he gets home, I figure he should learn how to do it himself.

Poll
B: college program away - I consider 90 min away from home lol
C: traveling- church camp and camping with friends fits here I guess
E: working (local hardware store and at our performing arts center) yes but not as much as he’d like
F: having out with friends - quite a bit
G: common app essay, summer homework, practicing with band, learning new instrument, act prep

@curiositycat333 – That is alarming. Please keep us posted, if you do not mind.

I froze my credit in 2008. Not for any reason other than my fear that the world was ending when Bear Stearns collapsed. (That did not happen until Sept when Lehman collapsed…) I wanted to freeze the boys’ credit but apparently you cannot freeze the credit of someone under 18. I think I will do so now for the older son.

I just checked his FICO score via his bank account and it appears as 785. Of course, that doesn’t tell me anything.

Did you contact the three agencies to run the history, or is there something else you would advise.

So sorry you are dealing with this. I have had a couple of friends go through it and it is a hassle.

No senior trips here. Great in theory, but not in reality. We try to do a fun big spring break every year with the kids, usually a fun island and then the beach (HH) in the summer. We are planning our spring break right now and will do a week at the beach a week before DD heads to school next year or will go right after we drop her off because I will be miserable:)

@CT1417 We found out because we putting her on a small loan for a the car we were buying. (Just to give her a some credit since she really has none.) They had problems with her SS# but got us the loan anyway. :wink: Tried getting her credit history. One of them can not get us a report and requests a paper form, with multiple pieces of information for verification. We tried getting her an account on the social security site and it “locked” the number and said to call. (She was on her way to work by then.) We did find her original Social Security card, so we have verified that we have our information correct. Her job requires she passes a “background check” and EVerify so I’m very surprised something didn’t pop up then.

This year my kid nixed spring break. Too close to APs and swim league finals. Next year will be same I am sure.

@curiositycat333 that is so scary! Have there ever been any subtle signs over the years such as weird phone calls, etc?

** Senior Trip. ** Well… S17 needs to make a decision if he’s going on the spring Band trip this year. There are pro’s & con’s.

And then already knows what he wants to do next summer. He plans to apply as a camp counselor for next year. If that happens he will be have to attend training shortly after school gets out. and be there till at least mid-August. So depending on if he goes to a school with semesters of quarters that might take up his entire summer.

But I wanted to do something. It’s my 50th bday next year and I thought a combo birthday/graduation celebration of a family river rafting trip would be how I’d like to celebrate. Not sure if it will fit in though. Nor if we will have the $$ or I’ll have the time.

Poll: Did your '17 child spend the summer
A. At a summer program offered at a local college: Yes (Introductory Japanese class)
B. At a summer program offered at a college away from home: Not this year but has had good experiences and gave me comfort that he will be fine when he is in college
C. Traveling - mission trip, etc.: Two trips for relaxation; one trip for college visits.
D. Summer school (local or online at home): Johns Hopkins Online course
E. Working: not this year
F. Hanging out with friends: once a week (they are all on different schedules)
G. Other (please specify): working on college apps; local college visits; learning to cook additional meals; having wisdom teeth removed next week.

So we just found out that all three guidance counselors at DD’s high school have been replaced. Nothing was said until the replacements were announced. Should make GC recs fun.

Just had a great random chance face to face meeting with a very nice lacrosse coach during my son’s tournament. The school is on my sons shortlist. I didn’t think my son would be able to play there, but after our lengthy discussion I do now. He got invited to campus and the coach wants to meet him and give him a personal walk thru of his program. The coach likes my son as a student and thinks he can develop him into a better lax player. So that was exciting and unexpected.

Poll
A. At a summer program offered at a local college: no
B. At a summer program offered at a college away from home: yes, at University of Mississippi
C. Traveling - mission trip, etc.: yes, quick trip to visit older brother; family vacation to WDW next Tuesday!
D. Summer school (local or online at home): no
E. Working: She’s been tutoring Arabic this summer
F. Hanging out with friends: Her best friend will be joining us next week
G. Other (please specify)

Parking We only had to pay at George Washington.

Foreign Languages D is being encouraged by her professors and Croft staff to add Chinese to her schedule this year, in order to see if the Arabic ability is a one-off or if she has a special gift for tricky languages.

@curiositycat333 How awful! My H is a CFP who preaches the gospel of annual credit checks. He has seen lots of nasty situations :frowning: I hope you get more details. Kind of weird that it wasn’t caught by her work or the IRS (One year I accidentally transposed 2 digits in one of the kids’ SSNs and the return wasn’t accepted.)

@disshar What??? Good gravy!

@RightCoaster Wonderful!