Parents of the HS Class of 2018 (Part 1)

@GertrudeMcFuzz my understanding of the Regents at UNM is that it’s competitive unless you are NMF. NMF get that level automatically, but others have to apply for Regents, whereas the Amigo is automatic. I did manage to convince my D to apply as even with only Amigo it’s a good deal. It wouldn’t be a top pick for her as it’s too big, but I’m glad she’ll have at least one school like that on her list in case she changes her mind about what she wants later.

@odannyboySF Congrats on surviving that epic touring journey! Sounds like you really saw some variety!

@jpc763. She loved UC Boulder in every way. Says this is it for her and she doesn’t need to look at any other schools:). She has a 29 ACT (will take again) and about a 3.9 so hopefully it is a easy match for her. I just wish they had early decision :). We will apply early action. Loved the art school here too which we took a quick tour of. Obviously she is a junior and has time to change her mind but if I had to bet - I would say this is it for her!

@clementines2016 - Have you run the NPC for CU? I was looking at OOS scholarships and with her stats, she is qualified for the CU Boulder Chancellor’s Achievement Scholarship, which is awesome. It pays $6250 per year for 4 years. The Presidential Scholarship is for the top 1-3% of admitted OOS students. It pays $15k for 2 years and $12.5k for 2 years.

I ask this because I have a S17 and a S18. Foolishly I encouraged my S17 to apply to wherever he wanted. We visited a lot of schools and he fell in love with University of Wisconsin. I just assumed that they had out of state merit scholarships. Well they don’t. He was accepted but at $50k per year, it was a no go. He has great options with great merit aid so he will be fine, but it was a disappointment.

DD’18 returns from her trip to Boston today. She loved BC. Campus is beautiful, students were very welcoming. Food was great. She said it was really easy to get to downtown via the public transit.

SO, OU… :smiley:

I’m going to start of with my own impressions because University of Oklahoma made my soul sing. I adored the Cherokee gothic architecture, the gargoyles, and the old-world/ Craftsman style interiors with dark wood, quarter-sawn tiger oak, stained glass, etc.

The office in charge of the National Merit tours operates like a well oiled machine. There were some 30-40 kids plus parents, all with individual itineraries after the initial meeting, and they had everything planned to perfection. They divided us into about 6 groups for the campus tour, and it turned out that the grouping was thematic. Our small group consisted of the four pre-health kids plus one prospective bio major.

Aside from the architecture, the campus is green and lush, and feels very Midwestern. The students had an energetic, happy, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed air about them, and this was the only campus where random students smiled and waved at the tour groups. Not at the guide, who might have been a friend, but at us.

The library was darn awesome, and its lower two floors are hiding a secret! The bottom two floors look 60s or 70’s era modern, with recent renovations to group study spaces that are pretty cool in and of themselves. The 2nd floor has museum quality exhibits of artwork, Kachina dolls and more. But the third floor…Dia lowers her voice …the third floor is magical! It’s full on Hogwartsy and breath-taking. https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1051/3171628501_75be574e32_b.jpg Based on the first two floors, there’s no way I would have expected that on level three.

At the Honors College presentation, conveniently timed for after we’d seen the library, they talked about a ‘night at the library’ stress-reliever thing during finals where small groups can be admitted to the special collections section where they put on gloves and are allowed to do things like hold and read an original Galileo or Jane Austen manuscript. Me, inside: No fair! That’s dirty pool!

I’m a social science / humanities type, so at that point, they had me hook, line and sinker. S, however, is a STEM kid, despite his strong interest in theater.

The pre-health meeting at OU was far and away the best we’ve been to. I took two pages of notes. Unlike the others, which were one-on-one meet n’ greets, this was an info session for all four pre-health students and their parents. The advisor gave everyone an handout detailing various different pre-health tracks, and she annotated each one for the students as she detailed how the plan fits into various degrees and majors. Example: If you follow a certain course progression for pre-med, you’ll be only one credit away from a minor in chem, and you can pick up the missing credit via a Chemistry of Wine-making class during the study abroad program in Italy.

She also recommended that every single pre-health student spend the summer after senior year picking up their basic EMT certification, which would make them eligible for several different on-campus jobs, including in the hospital attached to the med school. Student EMTs also get tapped as in-house medics for sporting events and concerts such as the recent Blake Shelton performance. So not only to you get to see the show for free, you get clinical hours and you get paid for your work.

The dorms were nice-ish doubles, connected across the back by a shared bathroom. The building itself is a 20 floor high-rise with key-controlled access starting at the elevators. Girls on one side, boys on the other, and your key card only opens your own side. Floors 1-6 are tornado-safe, floors 7 and up should report to the storm shelter in the basement. I didn’t ask about tornado safe for how big of a tornado because I knew I wouldn’t like the answer. EF5s will laugh at “tornado-safe” so if my kid were at OU, I’d tell them to head to the shelter no matter what floor they’re on.

The Professional Writing program at the Gaylord School of Journalism & New Media is to die for! I’m not sure if there’s anything else like it in the country. In addition to things like tech writing, journalism, public relations and writing for the web, they also teach various commercial fiction genres such as mysteries, romance, horror, sci-fi and fantasy. Excellent, excellent program.

Study abroad - Wow! They have more than 300 study abroad options, and some 30% of students go abroad at least once during their time at OU. Some go more than once.

Dining hall - another excellent dining hall that rivals a cruise ship buffet in terms of selection, variety and quality. Pizza, pasta, burgers, carving station, extensive salad bar, granola-yogurt parfait bar, Mexican station, Asian, Greek, Chick-fil-A, bakery counter with OMG wonderful Peanut Butter Shudder (choco-pb) cheesecake, made-to-order quesadillas and tons more. I think OU had more variety than either Tech or UTD. I had an herbed chicken breast at UTD that was very good. A similar dish at OU was tough, but I think I was just unlucky. Everyone else’s food looked great.

S says OU came second in just about everything, vs Tech and UNM that were first in come things and last in others. You’d think that would make it a good compromise choice, but S says not so when you factor in the price. OU would average around $8k/year, or roughly $35k for four years.

Re: scholarships - lots of kids told us they got extra scholarship money after their first year, sometimes as much as $5k/year. All of the scholarships stack, outside, too, and OU will even move the money around so outside funds earmarked for tuition and fees don’t go to waste. This may well mitigate the stuff in the paragraph above re: cost.

For me at 17, OU would have been The One. For S, it’s an acceptable third behind UNM and Tech, but since he knows he’ll get into both of those, he may not even apply to OU.

So where are we after the visits?

UNM and Tech are tied for first place. They each have very different strengths, so it’s going to be a hard choice. S likes the academics and opportunities best at Tech, including the Honors College, biology and psychology departments. He likes the dorms, campus, dining hall, food and theatre opportunities better at UNM, and he notes that he didn’t visit the bio or psych departments, so he can’t make a direct comparison. He also prefers ABQ to Lubbock for geography, culture, weather and climate.

He says he’s leaning ever so lightly toward Tech, but even a breeze could change it.

@DiotimaDM Great OU review! For what it’s worth, because of additional scholarships we’ve had no OOP expenses for OU first year and don’t anticipate any for second year and she maybe eligible for additional funds in the future. DD has had amazing freshmen year research opportunities. So far our only OOP expense was her plane ticket to her summer German internship (stipend covers, living expenses and insurance), she’s saving the national merit study abroad stipend for her third year.

@DiotimaDM - Wow - I feel like I was on the OU tour with you!! We’re interested in potential NM schools, and your posts are better than any book we could read. Again, many thanks for your detailed and interesting posts, including your honest opinions about the “feel” you get for this school and that, how you (and S18) rank the different schools in comparison to each other, and (of course) information about the bottom line - scholarship money, stacking, etc. :)>-

If UTD were still on our list, it would have ranked first for dorms - students get their own, lockable bedrooms in a 3-person suite that includes a living area and bathroom. It would also be tied for first with OU for the dining hall.

Re: my posts - they are very much a thank you, and paying it back / forward / sideways to CC. When I came here, I had no clue about Nat’l Merit, no clue that there were full rides at great schools to be had, etc. CC has quite literally either saved our retirement or saved S from crushing debt. Without CC, he’d probably have taken the community college-then-transfer route, and probably to a UC or Cal State where he might have had to live at home. Nothing at all wrong with that, but he’s got so many wonderful opportunities now, and I am so, SO grateful.

@DiotimaDM Thank you for sharing so much with us! It’s very helpful (and fun!) to read your reports. I have five teens, so statistically at least ONE of them will end up at our state flagship, right? I’ve spent lots of time on the OU campus with my kids for assorted events, but no one in our family has done that NMF tour. It sounds like they do a great job of selling it. As a transplanted Californian, I can confirm that Oklahomans really are that friendly.

I’m glad to hear that there is a storm shelter in the honors dorm (and hopefully ALL of the dorms). If your S does decide to go to OU, make sure he takes that tornado thing seriously. I’m guessing they don’t mention this on the tour, but Moore, just a few miles north of Norman, has been hit over and over by massive tornadoes the past few years. Apparently there is some geographic anomaly that funnels them straight to Moore. Just a little jog to to the south would send it to the OU campus. Serious stuff.

I can confirm that OU has just built new tornado shelters for the towers. The National Weather Service building is the safest above ground location during a tornado.

@jpc763 I know about the chancellors scholarship and am hoping she does qualify (seems like she should). Am aware of the cotsts and fortunately, we are in the position to be able to pay them. I will also have her apply for other potential scholarships that are not need based.

@DiotimaDM, did you see the CC thread about potential massive increase to tuition in NM next year? Apparently the governor vetoed all college funding for the state. I know your S loved UNM and you’re on the merit hunt so you’ll be interested in that. As would anyone else considering UNM.

@traveler98 I saw it - thank you. I’m optimistic that they’ll get something worked out. CA goes through this sort of thing on a regular basis, so we’re kind of used to it. :frowning:

Re: OU NM floors in the towers vs Honors dorms.

The NM kids have two floors in the towers, and those are the dorms I described above. Four kids in two doubles with one bath connecting the doubles. There’s a separate building for kids on the Honors College. That building has similar doubles, but with community bathrooms. It also has nice study areas on the ground floor, plus classroom spaces for some of the Honors classes.

According to our guides, the NM floors tend to be very social where “social” means lots of open doors and friendly interactions, not social as in partying. The Honor dorms tend to be quieter.

If I’m not mistaken, all dorms, in fact, all buildings period, have storm shelters.

Thank you @DiotimaDM and @1822mom for the UNM info!

@crazy4info Re: film - you know, you might check out Gaylord College at OU. http://www.ou.edu/content/gaylord/undergraduate/creative-media-production.html

Apparently, I’m a posting fiend tonight to make up for the rotten internet access last week, so here are some motherly musings.

S has taken Tulane and UT Dallas off the list. UTD for poor fit, and Tulane because he’d need the Stamps to things worthwhile after seeing everything that’s offered at Tech and UNM. Yes, he’d probably get the DHS or PT at Tulane, but that would leave us paying full room & board, which S doesn’t think is a worthwhile expenditure vs Tech or UNM for free.

Ditching Tulane and UTD means S doesn’t have to retake the SAT, which he would have done to be more competitive for the McDermott and Tulane Stamps. He has a 1490 (760V/730M), which is excellent but not tippy top. Now the only reason he might retake is so he could apply together with his gf to any UCs - but neither we nor the gfs family can realistically pay for the UCs, so they’re questioning whether to apply.

Their current plan is to prep the gf hard for her PSAT with the hope of both making NM, and failing that, getting the gf’s scores high enough for Regents at UNM.

They’ve both got pretty good heads on their shoulders. They’re holding the possibility of going to college together very lightly. If they’re still together when the time comes, then fine. And if not, high scores will set them both up for whatever they want to do separately.

In other news, S wants to do 15 college units over the summer, and I’m trying to get him to back it off to 9 or 12. 15 units is a whole college semester, and I want him to be able to relax a little over the summer. He wants to coast his senior year (where coasting still means taking AP Lit and AP Calc, but only three classes, total plus a TA period). I have no problem with the coasting. He has enough credits to graduate now, and the only requirement he has left is one English class. He would still take some college classes, but he wants to have time to devote to his school’s theatre program w/o worrying about impact on his grades. Since Tech and UNM are both guaranteed admission, he also wouldn’t have to worry about a light senior year looking like a red flag for rigor.

He applied for a Future Physicians Leadership program over the summer, plus he hasn’t gotten his driver’s lic. yet, and I think 15 units on top of those other two is asking for burn out.

What do you all think?

Oh, almost forgot!! At both Texas Tech and OU, I asked the recruiters what they do for kids from high cutoff states like CA who miss their cutoffs by a point or so but still have high test scores, high grades, etc, and both places said they would want to talk to those kids to see what they could do. They didn’t promise to match the NMF package, but they said they would try to stack some stuff to still make an attractive package.

15 units does sound like a lot of classes. S did six last summer, a five-week dual credit US history class at the beginning of the summer, and he loved the class but was very glad when it was over. 15 would take up the whole summer! I definitely get the desire to coast senior year, and I think it’s good to have some structured activities over the summer, but he might regret not giving himself a bit of downtime this summer.

Greetings all… have been lurking for a bit. S18 just got his ACT multiple choice scores in and I’m pretty excited, so figured I’d post a bit of background. He is a likely NMSF (220 SA in Florida), decent but not amazingly crazy ECs, he will have 8 AP after this year and 5 more likely next year… he just pulled a 35 on his ACT and his achilles heel is his gpa. UW is 3.65 and weighted it’s around 4.3ish. Still top 10% but makes it hard to guarantee anything but his safeties and will definitely make a dent in his chances for his top reaches.

Speaking of, we have visited Swarthmore, Temple (our S15 attends) and Florida Institute of Technology (we wanted a wide variety!) so far but he is interested in CalTech, UChicago, etc… we will have plenty of good options to back him up though. Really appreciate the visit reports so will try to post ours soon.

Still a little undecided on major… something STEM-y is about all he has narrowed it down to for certain :slight_smile: That makes identifying ideal programs a little tricky for sure. He is going to need merit or a school with 100% need without loans to make it affordable. A reach though may cause us to dip a bit more into savings if needed. NMF will help with that if that comes through!

Anyway, looking forward to the next 12 months or so. It should be interesting!