Parents of the HS Class of 2019 (Part 1)

I just relived our entire episode. What a horrific time. She was only 13, she was trying to fit in with the popular crowd, and she totally messed up – I made her write a 1,000-word essay the day I found out (before I knew that all hell was about to break loose at school) and I just re-read it. Damn it’s good. I should submit it for the essay prompt.

No, I’m kidding. But she really did some repentance back then. I wonder how we’re going to deal with it. You’re right, @JDCalimom, the exact wording will be important. I don’t want to dredge it up if we don’t have to.

I think CommonApp lets parents create account, so you can create your account and see it for yourself. Just don’t apply to colleges as yourself :))

Someone on the 2018 thread could probably confirm the current wording (although it could change by next year). The only info I could find was that for 2017-18, the Common App decided to “maintain” its questions about criminal and disciplinary history. Some colleges will not consider the information and the Common App will contain information about how different colleges use it.

I don’t think the question itself changed this year. Google “Common App” and “Gender Identity, Criminal History, School Discipline Update” to see their March 2017 announcement.

Is anyone familiar with Princeton Review for SAT prep classes (online)/ I would love some feedback. If you know of a better program please share. Thanks. D is a HS junior. I should probably join this thread.

My D used the blue book for prep for the old SAT. But itbasically just a bunch of full length practice tests.

You can download several free full length practice tests from Collegeboard website.

Also they partnered with Khanacademy to offer free SAT test prep.

If your child took the PSAT, they can import their score, and get input in what they need to work on.

There are also lots of youtube videos with walkthroughs that can be helpful.

We’ve been using Khan Academy. Last year’s PSAT was disappointing in the math section. I wanted to wait until this year’s PSAT to start pushing the tutoring angle hard. Kiddo knows what the colleges he wants to go to expect in SAT scores and knows that his scores aren’t up there.

Oh, I did also buy one of the SAT prep books, but I think it’s been a mouse pad for the past 5 months. I’m thinking of pushing that this weekend since it’s not a heavy rehearsal weekend.

I’m going the cheap way because money is a bit tight now, but I’m budgeting a tutoring program after the PSATs, before the first SAT, if the scores don’t show a good improvement with Khan. If the scores do show good improvement, I’ll just keep on pushing the Khan and we’ll have money for something else…

My D used Khan and Kaplan- Kaplan has some free online ‘courses’ for SAT & ACT, but I don’t see anything listed under PSAT. I believe she enjoyed the free Kaplan lessons, I recommend checking them out. Nothing to lose!

So last year we started seriously looking at schools D might love to attend. I ran the calcs for several of them, and they were just this side of affordable for us. D became very excited at the prospect of attending one of a few schools and we’ve spent a lot of time focusing on them. So this week I thought I’d run them again just for kicks, and each went up significantly.

I can’t imagine if I did something wrong last time, costs went up that much, or both… but those schools are now out of budget for our family at those prices…ack. I’m feeling misguided at the moment.

I also just spoke to a super fancy college career councelor that we could never afford ($5,300) and I REALLLLY wish I had the money to hire her!

I just got back from a visit to Philadelphia (w/o D19). Our D15 is at Swarthmore this semester. D15 is a junior at Pomona but they have a domestic exchange agreement with Swarthmore, which she is taking advantage of this semester. She’ll be back at Pomona for Spring semester. She says people keep introducing her as a transfer student, which she isn’t. But people are much more used to the concept of a transfer student than a domstic exchange student. It’s an interesting opportunity to compare and contrast two top LAC’s. Swarthmore certainly has a beautiful campus.

Back from Grinnell. It was awesome!! Why is it that every time we visit a new school, it’s our new favorite?

S19 loved everything about it. The facilities were ridiculous. Everything state of the art. The athletic facilities were named #3 in the country by Princeton Review and they were amazing. The food was crazy tasty with so many options at each meal. The dorm rooms were the nicest I’ve ever seen by far. Add that to the smart, friendly vibe of the students and the professors and it’s a keeper for sure.

We got to campus by 4:00 on Sunday and took the tour. Pretty spread out campus but made sense since, like so many schools, it’s just a long rectangle. The art building and the student center were designed by Caesar Pelli and are filled with light. The campus was clean, it was like Disneyland. They are building a huge, new humanities and social studies building that will be done in 2019. They explained that so many kids are studying across disciplines and that interdisciplinary study is important to Grinnell. With resources all in one building, professors in different departments will have an easier time working together. There will be common spaces for “intellectual collisions” between disciplines and student learning laboratories so that humanities and social science kids can collaborate. Our tour guide was from DC. He was friendly, unpretentious, and funny. He was a political science major and one of the prospective students (also from DC) asked why he would he leave DC to go to Iowa to study poli sci? He said politics is HUGE in Iowa. They held the caucus on campus. All presidential candidates came to campus to speak. 80% of the kids voted in the election. He thinks it’s a great place to be on that front.

After the tour, we went to dinner at the student center. I felt like we were on vacation. We’ve only ever eaten in one cafeteria (Beloit) and we thought it was pretty good. Grinnell’s cafeteria and food were amazing. Three story floor to ceiling windows so tons of light. Places to eat outside as well. And the food was so fresh and yummy. We ate with two Grinnell students and other prospectives. The students were laid back but engaged. Talked about why they chose Grinnell. Both of them mentioned the open curriculum and the vibe. They both said they just knew it was the right place when they were there. When kids asked about being in the middle of Iowa, the students said they don’t even notice. Everything they need is on campus and they are so busy that they just don’t need anything else.

S19 went to two classes yesterday (a logic class and an environmental science class) and loved both. Said he thought he could keep up in the classes and that they weren’t “scary”. The professors were friendly to him and he thought the kids were, again, bright but “normal”. I went to bunch of parent seminars. The one on career placement was very holistic in that they really want kids to find work that aligns with their values. They mentor the students on career planning but also on figuring out what they want from life - what civic commitments are important to them and what are their personal goals. They have career communities (STEM, law, health care, humanities, a few more) of Grinnell alums that help kids plan their futures. Students can shadow an alum at their job for 2-3 days during spring break. Mentoring with a career advisor starts freshman year and that person works alongside the student’s academic advisor.

I really could go on and on but this is already long. If anyone is interested in more, PM me. Grinnell is need-blind and the endowment is one of the biggest so 90% of the kids are getting some sort of aid.

S19 was nervous when he asked me if he could get in. According to our Naviance, he’s in a good spot but I know many of the kids there from our high school are athletes so I don’t know if the Naviance chart really helps. Right now, he said if we would let him ED, this is the place. My husband is against that idea…at least right now. And he’s taking him to Mac and Carleton in four weeks so we will see how that goes. S19 said there’s no way to top Grinnell. Hm. This is getting more interesting every day!

Great report! Thanks! What were dorms like? And being in the middle of Iowa, are there any transportation options at all nearby? Like a bus/train/airport?

There are many dorms but we saw two. Half are older, half are newer but even the older one had really nice rooms. No musty smell. Lots of light. Plenty of room. Starting junior year everyone can have a single if they like. We saw one of those too. Transportation is tricky. They do have shuttles to Des Moines to fly out and also to Chicago (which is four hours away!). I guess depending on where you live, though, it’s cheaper to get flights out of Chicago to get back and forth to home. Kids can have cars. Free to park.

They mentioned that the school has a fleet of Prius and, if kids need to get to airport at any time because of family emergency or something like that, they will drive them to the airport (whichever one they need). I thought that was interesting.

I met a recent Grinnell grad on vacation this summer and she informed me that Grinnell is one of the few schools that offer aid to international students (she was international and attended with aid, graduating with no debt). Now that’s taking care of your students! She gushed about the school and how inclusive the environment is.

Thanks on the great report!

@sunnyflorida unfortunately any NPC’s we all run now will also be out of date by up to 2 years, in some cases 3, of tuition increases in terms of what the actual fall 2019 bills look like.

You can likely find 2017 COA online right now but the NPC’s often lag behind with their info and show a lower number. That said, if you take what it spits out and assign a % increase annually, you can get a good idea of what it will look like once it’s our kids turn. It’s also important to factor in that increase over the 4 years kids are in school. Generally the merit awards are fixed amounts but tuition, fees, room and board etc, are not and do rise in most cases. There are a few exceptions to this where some schools guarantee a fixed price all 4 years or that the merit increases at the rate of tuition but those are few and far between.

Merit offers change too so keep an eye on published scholarships as what is offered now, may or may not be for the 2019 kids…could be better, worse, more competitive or not.

It’s not for the faint of heart but…it’s also not worth paying someone $5300 either in my opinion. I know folks that have done that and I haven’t seen “better” results for their kids than they’d likely have gotten without them. I have seen parents not have to deal with the stress of nagging their kids on apps and tests and if you have the disposable income it could be worth it but for admissions sake alone…information is out there to guide folks for free.

@homerdog Grinnell sounds lovely, It definitely seems a love it or hate it school for most (the latter usually location based) and glad it was such a positive experience. Very curious to see how Mac and Carleton compare. I’d love to consider Mac for S19 as a reach but it’s a reach financially.

Sorry. One more thing about Grinnell. There was a mom sitting behind us with her daughter. The mom is an alum. She was musing that she’d love to come back and do it all over. She was telling her daughter it was some of the best years of her life. The daughter certainly seemed like the kind of kid who has her own mind. I heard her talking earlier and she sounded quite opinionated. I half expected her to roll her eyes at her mom and say Grinnell’s just not her thing. Instead, I over heard her saying how comfortable she was there and hadn’t felt that anywhere else. I thought this mom was going to weep. It was such a sweet moment.

@eandsmom I will see what we can find out about Macalester and financial aid when my husband and S19 visit. I’m sure my husband will be all over that kind of presentation… :frowning:

Wow, I’ve been away a few days and I missed so much. Sounds like a few of you had some great school visits. We went up north for college visits and had a great weekend even though we did not get the fall weather we were hoping for. We brought the whole family and did a drive by of one school and toured three schools.

Syracuse

Syracuse was not on our radar but we spent the night there Wednesday and had about an hour to kill Thursday morning before we had to head to our first tour. I figured I might as well drive D around and let her see a bigger city school since so far we were focusing on small rural schools. I was surprised that it was prettier than I expected. We couldn’t drive right through campus because the roads are closed to traffic during class hours, but we were able to see a little bit. It was a good way to start a conversation about the pros and cons of different types of schools.

Hobart and William Smith Colleges

After driving around Syracuse we headed over to Geneva, NY to see Hobart. Hobart and William Smith is a little hard to explain- it is one school but works in a coordinate system. Everything runs as one college except the girls and boys have different sets of deans and there are a few traditions that are different for boys and girls (I think some event having to do with matriculation and maybe something at the end of senior year.) They also have different mascots and when you graduate you get a degree from just one of the schools.

When we first got there we drove through the town and found a spot to have a quick lunch. This area is very cute and very upstate NY -I don’t know how to describe it, but it is kind of old fashioned small town, nothing like my kids are used to in Florida. I wasn’t sure what they would think but they loved it! I’m not sure but I want to say it was maybe a 4X4 block area - not too tiny but not a city either. Everything there was local, no chains or anything. We had lunch at a small place that was a gift shop and also had a few tables and a lunch counter. We also saw pizza places, a gelato place, a hobby shop, etc. This part of town was about 3/4 of a mile away from campus. We later found out that on the other side of campus is the other half of town that has the regular stores like a Wegmans grocery store and a movie theater.

The town sits on Seneca Lake which is one of NY’s Finger Lakes. As we drove to campus you could see the lake on the left and the admissions building (a beautiful old house) sat right on the edge of the water - so beautiful! When we got there they had a packet waiting for us and we got to sit overlooking the lake while we waited with a few other people. The admissions rep had us walk over to another building for our information session where we sat in year another room with giant windows looking over the lake. Luckily the admissions rep was great so we weren’t too distracted! I thought the session was very informative and I learned a lot more than I had online and in the different guide books.

The school is a little over 2,000 students. They seem to be extremely involved with each student - I feel like all the small schools say that but from what he told us I felt like Hobart was actually doing it. I’m trying to remember some of the things we learned without going to get my notebook. There is a freshman year program like at many small LACs, there is a requirement that you either double major or have a major and a minor. They have a cool sounding Leadership School where you can take seminars and classes on ways to be a good leader - everything from how to make an agenda for a meeting to how to plan a budget for a project. You are guaranteed an internship or research. There are no specific class requirements, there are areas of study that you must fulfill but you can use tons of different classes to fulfill each one (so D would not have to take a math or a language -that made her happy!) The largest class size is 30 but the average is 15.

There were only 3 other kids there and we were split into two groups for our tours. We were lucky enough to have two tour guides who were pretty different from each other so I liked having the two different perspectives. The campus is beautiful, bigger than I expected. I had friends who went here in college and I visited them once or twice, either I don’t remember much or the school has really grown! We loved the mostly brick and stone buildings and I liked that there was a lot of green space. D and I always like to see places like quads where the kids can just hang out on a nice day and there were lots of spots for that. The students we saw on the tour seemed nice and friendly. My D is a little worried about the SLACs being too preppy or outdoorsy for her. Both she and my D21 thought the kids here seemed like just regular kids - a little on the outdoorsy/jocky side but not enough to bother them. The cafeteria is brand new with both a traditional area and a “food court” type area that is open late - they all looked very nice. They have both single sex and co ed dorms and the room they showed seemed fine. I asked and they said you could choose where to live, but I wonder if not enough of one sex chose to live in the single sex dorm if you might get stuck in one anyway.

Overall we really loved it. The only drawback for us is that it is not easy to get to - we have to take connecting flights to either Syracuse or Rochester then there is an hour long drive after that. Plus the cold - it is so cold in upstate NY for a FL girl! She is less worried about that but when the time comes I think that will be a big decision she has to make.

This was WAY longer than I planned and I have to get ready to meet D at a college fair so I will do the other two schools later.

@homerdog - so glad you had a good visit. Major Grinnell fan here. Your impressions seem spot on.

I’m enjoying all the college visit posts. It’s funny to see Seneca Lake discussed since I grew up on the lake in a very small town. Geneva was a city to me!

Son19 is heading to WPI for an Open House this weekend. It’s a nice school with a lot of things that appeal to him, except it’s too close and the city of Worcester is sort of meh to him. He’s been there a few times for robotics and to play sports so he is familiar with it, but hasn’t checked out the dorms, buildings etc. I think it will be a quick visit. It’s not high on his list, but it’s a decent contender.
School is going well, except son19 has had bronchitis and flu which has put a damper on his soccer playing and making studying harder. But he’s off to a decent start to the year.

D19 was sick with some sort of viral thing (doc said negative strep test) on Monday, so now she is playing catch up with two of the tests she missed in AP classes.

On Sunday we are attending a nearby Performing and Visual Arts college fair. D plans to visit the booths/tables of schools that are geographically further away. I’m going to pick up literature from whatever schools she assigns to me. :slight_smile: