Parents of the HS Class of 2019 (Part 1)

Ok so UR… obviously mostly just my opinion and keep in mind that it’s the only one we really toured so far. Also, my own college experience is a small, private college…

Best:
—-mid size research university. It’s hard to find anything that isn’t huge for engineering. I like that it’s midsize because I feel like it’s a different option. I liked the research focus as well. It sounded like an overall focus for the university and something our tour guide really appreciated about it.

—- location. It’s close for us, so that’s a personal plus! Also though, there is an (decent sized) airport and a train station in the city of Rochester. I know for us, we ruled out colleges that would have had hour or more bus rides after flying to where ever. Additionally, the location within Rochester is close to the hospital it is affiliated with (Strong Hospital, part of URMC) and there are regular buses back and forth. That means opportunities not only for direct medical related jobs and research but also some interesting things that are more indirect. Social work, psychology, human services, etc. obviously other colleges other places have that, but I think they tend to be bigger colleges.

— diversity. Again, lots of colleges claim this and measuring it can be tough. But for College that isn’t huge, they have a lot of countries represented in their student body. I’m sure there is an official number somewhere on their admissions site, but what was striking was in the student union, they had flags from all the colleges represented hanging from the ceiling. It was row after row after row of countries. Financial diversity seems there too as (IIRC) they meet full need, as defined by them. Again, when we were there just from a superficial glance based on how people were dressed… there were students leading tours that all were clean and put together but some more casual and some more dressy. Our tour guide (from a more rural and economically depressed area of the state) was wearing jeans, older ugg like boots, and a UR pullover sporty type top and had some nice bright red streaks in her braided hair. The dressiest tour guide was wearing a interview type outfit and had tv teen smooth hair. Both fit in. There were people on campus a bit less dressed up and everywhere in between.

——scholarships- we don’t know if we will be able to afford it (so financials might go on the worst part too) but there is a chance. The NPC came in less than RIT (the other Rochester school with engineering) and from what I can gather, UR has some bigger merit as well.

—— curriculum- Since she is looking at engineering, she won’t be able to take advantage of the openness as much as some majors could, but she liked it. She liked that she wouldn’t need to take Spanish anymore if she didn’t want to. Or maybe she would be done with English. But if she wanted to, she still could take them. It just seemed like the students really appreciated the set up there.

—- study abroad— again lots of schools have it now. But she liked hearing about the possibility and that it’s strongly encouraged. She liked that it ranged from a two week to a year long plan. On the student panel of 3 we listened to, 2 of them had done them. One had done a year long study abroad. The one who didn’t (a chemical engineer major) said he could have done a study abroad but chose not to mostly because of a fear of flying. He said he could have done one with his major.

—— smart kids- so our tour guide was an engineering major. She told more than one story about her friends and classes and projects and she was really into it all. An example was she was biomedical engineering leaning towards the mechanical rather than chemical side so she didn’t have as much first hand info on chemical engineering. But she talked about her friend texting her all excited because he got some chemical to change color after weeks of trying and they called it the black something of death. Back when I was in school, I don’t remember friends and I really sharing the ups and downs of stuff like that. It just felt like the learning wasn’t just in classrooms or exam time. We were in one of the labs with 3D printers and they were saying how students come and 3D print stuff just for fun and just have to pay for the materials. Also, I believe they said they have 12 libraries. That was pretty interesting to a book worm like me.

—— professors- I know I said this when we had our tour, but we sat in on an intro chem class. I was really impressed that the professor knew student names when they asked questions. It wasn’t something I would have expected in a large class like that. Additionally, when we were in the chem E lab, it took a bit for us to figure out who the professor was because he was sitting at a table with students working away with them on something. It just felt like the professors were involved with students (obviously this was just s snapshot of a couple but it was a good one!). Also, I know 3 professors there and I think they are all really nice people with their own very diverse backgrounds.

—- sports. Ok so this one isn’t really a plus for my D because she isn’t sporty, so more a wash for us. But our tour guide played a sport… I wish I could remember which… anyway she was there with a scholarship but she said the coaches still recognize that academics comes first. She had some sort of big upcoming project and was missing practices to catch up. I really liked that sports are there for kids who want it, but not so dominating that people forget what college’s main goal is supposed to be.

Worst—-

—-weather. It was suuuuuper cold when we went there. Obviously, the northeast can be rough weather wise. They do have some tunnels between some buildings. My understanding though is that after freshman year, it’s a pretty long walk between dorms and academic buildings. That would stink in bad weather.

— dorms. This is really more just for d and not most of the rest of the kids here but she really wants a single. That wouldn’t happen freshmen year for sure. Also, this current freshmen class was bigger than expected and I know one freshman who was put into a forced triple. My d would haaaate that. I will say though, this was a boy and he has said his room mates are really nice, great people. He wasn’t upset about it at all and had become good friends with them. The freshmen girl I know was in a really nice, new double with a great view of the sport field (I think a football field? I saw a picture she took from her window back in the fall and that’s what I recall).

——- cars. Parking isn’t great, I think only very limited student parking on campus. When we visited, we had to park at the hospital and take a shuttle bus over to the campus. I believe it can be walked in nice weather but that’s only really going to be early fall and late spring for most.

—- cost. Unless you get good need based aid or merit, it’s an expensive place. It’s also not a place with transparent, automatic merit awards. We will really have

—— recent upheaval in administration because of sexual harrassment stuff. My own opinion is that it’s something that happens everywhere and at least it’s currently being dealt with at UR. But there is no denying that it’s currently a thing and getting negative press.

—- size. I like the mid size, but for those who want much smaller and much larger, it might not be right.

Other factors: food and things to do. I don’t know where to place them. In my experience, these are so subjective. We thought the food was good when we went to one of the two dining halls. Lots of variety in food and seating. The impression we got about things to do was that there is stuff for those who want it (ie parties, skiing, biking, clubs, etc). But there are always going to be kids who say there is nothing to do and they hate the food.

Thanks for the run depth review!! very much appreciated!! That’s kind of what I was thinking the place would be like. Son19 might like it there, I just don’t know if he’d like it that much more than some places closer to home tough.

Also regarding your tour guide- she was not on a sports scholarship- none offered there, they are D3. I think my son would probably enjoy playing there.

I’ll have to him take a look at it online to see if he would like it. He gets mailings from them from time to time. RIT too.

I checked their track team results and records and for sprinter son19 would probably be one of the fastest guys on the team if he was there right now. :). So he’d probably have no problem making the team and would maybe get some help in admissions thru the coach.

My department at NASA just got a great intern from Iowa State’s Engineering Dept!

Looks like kiddo’s grades were stellar for this quarter, he’s back up to #5 in the class (399 total). He had slipped back to #9 last quarter because of a couple of B’s but it looks like he’s done well this quarter. Don’t know the actual grades yet since those aren’t posted, I just saw that his class rank changed in Naviance.

Everyone knows who #1 and #2 in the class are, two girls J and Y. Kiddo was crowing last night that they had had a calculus quiz and he had finished the homework just before class. The quiz was on the stuff he had just read so he aced it, but J and Y were complaining that they had no idea how to do the function and that this wasn’t a fair test. J and Y are president and VP of the class, run the prom committees, work on the quiz bowl team, each plays a sport badly. We’ve known J since elementary school - in 4th grade she was over 5 foot 6 and she’s kept growing.

Kiddo loves both J and Y to death, but he’s also burning to beat them academically. They share a lot of classes. Whenever he is better at something than they are, we hear about it for days.

@RightCoaster sorry about the sport scholarship misinformation. I tend to tune out a lot that isn’t applicable to us. I know she had good scholarships and she is on one of the teams, so I must have conflated the two. It really sounded ideal for a student who is sporty but still puts academics first. If IIRC, she also talked about the team participated in another sport activity in their off season as part of conditioning. She said they were terrible at the other sport but that they had a lot of fun together doing it anyway.

I got cut off also before I mentioned another interesting feature. She was a bio med engineering major and talked a lot about a research project she was super excited about. It was with a deaf student of a different major (I forget which) and they were working on developing technology that helps deaf surgeons be able to communicate better during surgeries. A lot of this stemmed from her being able to take ASL as part of her open curriculum class choices, as well as an ASL club she had joined. It sounded interesting and while I don’t remember which major the research partner was, I know it wasn’t bio medical engineering. I liked that students could work on research across departments. Again, it might be something that happens elsewhere as well, but wasn’t my experience at my small university.

That said, if we lived where you do, it would probably be hard for us to find a better fit than WPI.

Mid terms are over and son19 aced them which was good, he was worries he wouldn’t have time to properly prepare.
He got an A on AP Stats, and he won’t have to take the final in that class if he takes the actual AP exam at the end of the year. So he is relieved. He did really well in Physics and H Pre Calc so he will get to take AP Calc BC and AP Physics next year. two classes he really wanted.
He is happy that busy week is over. Easy day today and he has a fun Saturday planned, before a big track meet this weekend.

@mom2twogirls that does sound like an interesting place. I think son19 would probably like it there, as I suspected.
We’ll have to keep it under consideration. He’s probably a decent candidate for UR.

If I had a girl I’d send her to WPI in a second. They really want girls there, and have been increasing their merit money to girls in a significant way over the last few years to attract them. It’s a pretty safe place. Very good education with plenty of chances to intern. Lots of clubs. Decent social scene. I liked the teachers we met and the facilities were decent. They are building some new buildings to improve labs and dorms. They have a nice sports facility for athletes and students to use.

I still say that if I’d been accepted to WPI (rather than waitlisted), given their curriculum I’d probably have stayed in engineering.

My D19 surprised me a couple nights ago by declaring WPI her current dream school. (Her dream school shifts regularly, but usually to one she’s been talking about recently.) It’s a reach for her, to put it mildly, but she could pick worse picking the one ultra-reach she’s agreed to limit herself to once actual applications begin.

WPI looks very attractive on paper to me. We have family in Boston and I’d like to visit, but S is saying no to all of New England.

@momtogkc. Honors pre-calc is not fun for my kid either. He has near perfect SAT/ACT math scores but just got a B- in honors pre-calc for the quarter (he “doesn’t like trig” so he didn’t do the optional homework that would have gotten him extra points and probably better quiz and test grades) I worry that even a B in this class will raise some eyebrows if he applies for a math/physics/engineering major and I don’t really see any other majors appealing to him (except maybe music, yikes).

He IS the only kid who got an A in his AP Physics 1 class this quarter, which seems to use a fair amount of the trig that he hates! He’s lucky that he’s a few thousand miles away right now because I’m annoyed, haha.

Ok, so for all you WPI fans out there, I live about 25 minutes away. I’m about 1/2 between Boston and Worcester. I visit WPI sort of regularly for robotics stuff, and my other son had a few sports events there. We’ve toured the place and we know multiple kids currently attending. I’d be happy to answer any of your questions.
@dfbdfb They really want girls there! Really bad. I don’t know how things work with admissions and female applicants but I’d have to think they might be more relaxed about scores/stats for a girl coming from AK. Right?

@momtogkc I think you got some pretty good news lately! Good for no surgery! Have fun at the game, dress warm.

Regarding WPI, I don’t know if I’d put in " dream school" territory. It’s a fine academic institution and offers some unique majors, the campus is decent, but I wouldn’t say Worcester is the nicest looking city in the US, ha. Even though it’s a city, it’s more like a big old mill town with a downtown area with some tall buildings. It’s gotten better over the last 20 years, but is still kind of sketch ball in places, just like most cities. It has a gritty edge to it. I don’t think it’s all that dangerous, but you find homeless people, people strung out on drugs, wandering the streets. It’s more sad than scary. And that’s not really happening around the school. The school itself is kind of tucked away in its own zone, a corner of the city. There are some nice places to eat, a civic center, some shopping around etc. But it’s not like you are walking down Newbury St Boston or some swank zone in NYC. That being said, I think WPI is in a better zone than one of it’s competitors, RPI, which is located in a pretty grim zone too. But RPI has some amazing views up in the athletic center zone, looking out to the Adirondacks.

@eh1234 those dang H Pre- Calc grades!! I told you that class is the hardest class at our HS because it is a huge weed out class. Son17 had a challenging time with it, son17 just breezing right thru it with a 97 average! Amazing.
Your son will end up fine in that class. I think that class requires a lot of practice time, which son17 never did. Son17 will work on it all the time.

All of the kids at our school say Honors Pre Calc harder than AB Calc. BC Calc is a different story since it’s AB and BC in the same year and moves super fast.

My S19 is also in honors precalc with trig and his term grade is an 86, same last semester. Only B so far this year. The class seems hard with little opportunities for a boost or do-over. I would agree that its a weed out class at our school as well.

I’ve been lurking on the 2018 thread and this week has been a rough one for answers from colleges. I am increasingly worried that kiddo isn’t applying anywhere with rolling admissions, and our one EA is a lottery ticket school that is highly unlikely to be an early admit. It would be so nice to have an acceptance in our pocket early in the application season, to cushion the blow of (likely) rejections from the reach schools, or schools that accept him but don’t give enough financial aid.

Going through the college search websites again looking for possibles.

I put our address in to get info on the college I currently like the best- distance is not bad, automatic merit is excellent, and they have her proposed major which isn’t found everywhere. The booklet arrived yesterday. Let’s see, first she put down their mascot, then scoffed at the nickname they used for their town, and complained about how the name of her major was listed. She did like the semi-suite housing option. I promise I’m not overly pushing it but I mention it, along with others, once in a while when she’s bemoaning that she doesn’t know where to go to school. Not sure why she’s nitpicking it. When she visits, if she decides she actually likes it, she’ll probably be too stubborn to say so.

Today I mention studying for the ACT in two weeks. She thinks she’ll be fine. I say, “wouldn’t it be nice to score close to 30 this time so you don’t need to take it again later? Around 30 will get good merit at the schools I’ve found.” She says, “schools I want to go to or schools you want me to go to?” So I ask her where she wants to go. “The schools I like don’t have my major so…”

She mostly bases her opinion of schools on “somebody said it was really good.”

Hugs, @bjscheel - I try to think back to my complete oblivion (and that I was apparently raised by wolves, because I don’t remember anyone paying any attention to this at all) and realize that it will all work out, or it won’t, but me hovering and suggesting and urging and commanding and begging is only gonna get us so far - she still has to, like, go to college on her own, and I won’t be there for that.

So the more I carry her across the finish line in this race, the more damage I might be doing to the next, much more important race.

And then I can back off.

For a while.

:slight_smile:

@bjscheel What major? Maybe some of us are aware of some schools that you haven’t considered.

@bjscheel As for “somebody said it was really good”, I’m guessing that happens everywhere. S19 says that. I am ready with ammunition when he comes home and lists those schools. We don’t always disagree but, if I think a school is a bad fit, I have reasons.

Last week, it was Boston College. Of course it’s a great school…but it’s Jesuit. And we are not Catholic. Then he says “how about Villanova?”. Um. Same thing. He’s also mentioned something about Columbia. Had to mention that it’s in Manhattan since he’s already decided against urban schools. This is a kid who I thought would catch on a little quicker and not be swayed by what he hears at school. I’d think he’d be pretty quick to realize these three schools are awesome but not for him. Yet, he still came home and asked me about them. I guess I’m glad that he’s initiating conversation about schools but his suggestions don’t seem to make sense. It’s all about who said what at the lunch table that day.

And about those mascots? Yes. They get criticized as well. I cannot even believe that’s something to consider. Who cares? S19 said something about one school’s mascot being flat out “weird”. It’s a school that’s pretty high on his list otherwise. He said he’s not sure if he can see himself being this particular “mascot”. Huh? Unless he’s planning on actually BEING the guy who dresses up like the mascot at games, I don’t see why this matters.

LOL.
I will say that after two years of me being treated like the crazed mother who’s obsessed and slightly embarrassing, D has come home of late to say that everyone wants to see her spreadsheet and they are now picking her brain on affordable schools and learning the arcane vocabulary of the college search. She is now the go-to kid in the junior class.

(“her” spreadsheet. LIKE SHE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT)

@homerdog For what it’s worth, if he otherwise has fair reasons to be interested in BC, there are a lot of threads here on the topic of non-Catholics at BC (commonly a non-issue).

It’s actually kind of nice to have my son gone for a week, since I was tired of the polite silence that greeted me when I mentioned anything related to college. The current theory is that he actually wants to study music but doesn’t want to say these words out loud to the people who will be shelling out the $$$$$.

@gatormama I’m jealous of your spreadsheet. I admit it. I feel like I don’t have enough info to make one. At least you know your work is finally appreciated!