^ Shoot… it stated “this document is free of charge, share it freely”…
Thanks for the subtitled video (and thanks to CBC!)
The other one is called “Grandma Danielle”.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/16/us-france-shooting-bomber-greece-idUSKCN0T50U420151116
This is known from the fingerprints. But whether he is the person named in the passport is unknown given the serious problems of correctly identifying people.
^He isn’t. It’s been known for 2 days now. The real passport (and, presumably, its owner) have both been located. The Syrian passport was fake and carried with a purpose, likely to create confusion regarding the refugees who flee Daesh-controlled territory and dispell their propaganda of a sinless paradise.
The only websource I could find that still purports a link to the refugees is a known extreme-right website.
The fingerprint has been identified as belonging to a French man, actually ( Ismael Mostefai).
Lots of things have happened since then. Beside the 7 terrorists, a “brain master” and a “9th man” have been found to exist through the phone communications and the videos. A raid blocked part of a city last night and police officers met the first French female suicide bomber (she detonated her suicide vest).
What is clear is that the greatest threat comes not from refugees, but from people already in the west who are alienated and then radicalized through online social media propaganda or through recruiters who spot and groomj them for these attacks. Let’s get real and have some real discussions about how to neutralize the online propaganda and bring the recruiters to the police’s attention.
^ I agree. It’ll perhaps FINALLY make FB and youtube accept to do something about it, because so far they’ve refused to. I’m sure ISIS has excellent hackers and VPNs, but shouldn’t the big gafam help cybersecurity with known threats, especially to minors?
" look specifically to admit as many Syrian and Iraqi Christians as possible because they are actually at risk for violent mass extermination attempts - witness the execution of some 200 or more Christian children in Syria recently. My understanding is the Obama Administration has actually been making it more difficult for Christians to come here, which if true would be a giant black mark against it in history. I would further say it is only Christians who truly have no possibility of going “home”. In Iraq for example the government is talking about creating a “Christian region”, which would mean the remaining Christians would be pressured out of places like Baghdad into whatever the heck this “region” would be (and they are resisting this). Muslim Syrians and Iraqis while they are currently displaced can in the future go home."
Yep. Seems odd that all of a sudden there is a huge push by the administration to let in refugees, while they have completely ignored the execution and persecution of Christians, for many years. Christians in these areas are in far more danger, and even if the fighting stops, will still be in danger, due to the oppression and discrimination against them. Why not put a priority on helping them, which we should have done, many years ago. With the added bonus that they probably won’t be strapping on a suicide bomb in the name of Jesus.
Last time I checked, we were a secular country. I’m glad I’m not subject to a religious test to stay in this country.
A list of the identities of the terrorists. Several of them had been to Syria. The one whose fingerprint matched the one taken from refugees coming into Greece may have used the mass migration as a way to avoid detection.
France has so many potential radicals to track that these were not.
Yeah, they probably wouldn’t be busy making bombs like their Muslim counterparts /sar Like I said in my post above, it progresses from citizenship to religion and then finally to race. It should be noted that only the first two would be voiced, the third less so (Heaven forbid people be “racist”).
“^ I agree. It’ll perhaps FINALLY make FB and youtube accept to do something about it, because so far they’ve refused to. I’m sure ISIS has excellent hackers and VPNs, but shouldn’t the big gafam help cybersecurity with known threats, especially to minors?”
Anonymous declared a war on ISIL, and multiple Twitter accounts are already being taken down. Open propaganda can be easily dismantled; it is disappearing media" that presents a challenge.
No, It’s not clear… What about the refugees who came from areas where ISIS is actually in control?? You talk about media propaganda having an influence on western populations, what about those who actually come from the areas where ISIS has significant presence?
We shouldn’t just assume they are all well-intentioned people looking for a better way of life… most are, but not all.
Obama’s State Department insists terrorists will be weeded out by a single in-person interview. That’s a joke. Each Syrian refugee selected by the United Nations is interviewed once by someone with just eight days of training on Syria.
Worse, the interviewers — from the US Citizenship and Immigration Services — were ordered last May to relax standards. It’s now OK if your spouse was part of a terrorist organization, provided you can convince the screener you didn’t know you were sleeping with a terrorist. It’s also OK to have a history of supporting a terrorist group yourself — as long as you felt slightly pressured (not even under “duress”) to do it.
http://nypost.com/2015/11/17/uncle-sams-screening-of-syria-refugees-is-a-pathetic-joke/
If anyone has any other sources verifying or refuting this information it would be interesting.
From what I understand it is not correct that Christians are in greater danger than Muslims in Isis run areas. Muslims who don’t follow Sharia law and practice as Isis think they should are infidels and the punishment is death. Those who are of other religions are marginalized and made to live in separate neighborhoods, but they are not killed.
It is surreal to read people so trusting of government vetting process (as if any vetting will do) when it is all too clear that the government does not even know what are real documents or not, as these 8 people above got through with “almost identical” fake documents. No problem I guess, since they are vetted. Yeah, thanks for vetting. The questions are: how may more are there, and how much damage will they do?
I can definitely understand that people, e.g., governors, directly responsible for others safety may not be as cavalier as to assume that the worst is not coming along with the good migrants.
Like I said, let’s hope no movie like apocalyptic event happens in America and forces people to flee. I would hate for the Canadians to not admit Americans for fear that there are school shooters among the masses. And if we’re going down that route, then French and Belgians should be banned entry as well. I mean Hollande said that France’s plans to take in Syrian’s hasn’t changed, and it was his country that got attacked.
“If anyone has any other sources verifying or refuting this information it would be interesting.”
From NPR:
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/17/456395388/paris-attacks-ignite-debate-over-u-s-refugee-policy
This means what? That we just focus on the greatest threats, while letting in other potential threats that may not be identified as not great? A threat does not have to be recognized as great to be deadly; it just has to get by the screen, then become deadly.
The one thing that is rather striking about many of these terrorists in Paris is the amount of news stories about how nice people thought they were and that even their close friends did not know they were terrorists. Their friends and neighbors are acting shocked. Think about that, if their close friends and neighbors were / are clueless (assuming we believe them), what makes strangers who do not know them from Adam think they can adeptly vet out a would be terrorist?
455 - Still sounds like just one interview. Biometric data is useless unless someone's data is already in a database.
454 - France is planning on doing things that would be unconstitutional here. Like shutting down mosques that have radical imams. And then deporting those imams. So they may continue letting in the refugees but these tactics would be decried here.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/americas/honduras-syrians-detained/index.html
They were coming into Honduras with Greek passports but didn’t speak Greek.
It’s certainly not a given that they are terrorists. As we know, plenty of people attempt to enter other countries illegally for economic reasons.
There wasn’t any vetting of the migrants who flooded into Europe. Once their boats made it across the sea, they simply walked in before the borders closed.
That’s not what goes on in regards to entry into the U.S. for obvious reasons. And the process of “weeding out” is not done through a “single interview” which is why it takes 18-24 months and very few refugees have been admitted.
http://www.vox.com/explainers/2015/11/16/9745318/syrian-refugees-us-isis