<p>ITM:
The IMs are truly X-rated. I haven’t seen an email that even gets to PG-13, but post a link if you have. They are (IMs vs. emails) completely different issues from everything I’ve seen.</p>
<p>Driver, they are different issues and the distinction really does matter for the timeline (as you said). Is it so wrong to want to know if my party covered up something hideous or if they didn’t? Is it so wrong to want to know if the other party knew this hideous thing and sat on it?</p>
<p>“I don’t think Hastert would be coming out so strongly on this if he believed the Republicans covered up the IM’s. He’s calling for an investigation of how ABC got the IM’s.”</p>
<p>Maybe he should be calling for an investigation of why he didn’t.</p>
<p>Of course not, Zoos. Which is why Hastert has asked the Justice Department for a full FBI investigation. They’ll find out who was sitting on this story.</p>
<p>Okay, zoos, I’ll put you out of your misery: Yes, your party knew about it and did nothing. </p>
<p>No matter how much you and Driver try to find a way to make the e-mails seem OK, they’re not. (And I’m talking about the first one’s disclosed, the ones the top GOP guys admit having seen last year) They’re not a smoking gun, but they are a big red flag. So claiming that it was OK to basically blow it off when they (admittedly) had the text of the e-mails which the recipient found to be sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick and which his parent’s complained about is a desperate attempt to find any way to avoid blame. I get that Bush’s Republican party is the official “The buck stops anywhere but here” organization of the 21st Century but you just make yourselves look foolish by fighting this one at this point.</p>
<p>Whether it was hideous or not, it was dumb. Even under the most innocent terms and intentions, it was dumb. Drive… wouldn’t you agree?</p>
<p>I like to go back and forth with you and talk fishing and what not, But can’t we both agree from any standpoint this is just dumb behavior? If Foley worked for you or me and a customer brought this to our attiention, we would monitor Foley after speaking to him, wouldn’t we? We would have pointed out how dumb and potentially flash fire this situation is. </p>
<p>When we talked to coaches about this kind of stuff, it wasn’t to address the pedophiles, it was to ensure those who meant well, didn’t get labeled a pedophile for what could be innocent. </p>
<p>Personally, either Foley is the dumbest politican on earth or he wanted to get caught. He sent messages that can be recorded several different ways by anyone who wants to.</p>
<p>My understanding is that Hastert is calling for an FBI investigation of the leak and an in-house Republican investigation of the cover-up of Foley by the House Leadership [sic] [sick]</p>
<p>
I dunno…that sounds like declaring victory and going home when you can’t make your case. Or, can you make it, counselor?</p>
<p>Opie, yes, dumb at first, vile and probably criminal later on. Everything I’ve read indicates that the dumb and arguably inappropriate emails were dealt with proportionately in the manner you recommend. The vile and probably criminal INSTANT MESSAGES are a different matter, and apparently only came to light among Republican leadership this past week. Although they had been sitting out there, somewhere, for some time.</p>
<p>“No matter how much you and Driver try to find a way to make the e-mails seem OK, they’re not”</p>
<p>Yet another example of your behavior. I never, ever, in any way, shape or form said any such thing. Never. That did NOT happen. You owe me an apology.</p>
<p>Driver:
links to some of the emails as you requested.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Congressman_accused_of_sending_sick_emails_0928.html[/url]”>http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Congressman_accused_of_sending_sick_emails_0928.html</a></p>
<p>driver:
what ‘proportionate’ action was taken after these emails were revealed to the Republican members of the page committee. Why do you think it was kept hidden from the Democratic member?</p>
<p>Gla: “Why do you think it was kept hidden from the Democratic member?” </p>
<p>Do you know that it wasn’t known by the Democratic leadership? (Question here, not a statement because I hadn’t heard that yet.)</p>
<p>That’s not what I requested, gla. That’s what everyone has seen. I wanted a link to the allegedly x-rated emails, which I think don’t exist. They have been confused by many of you with the x-rated IMs, which I do not want to read any further than I already have, thank you.</p>
<p>Even Bob Beckel (Democrat) said that it was understandable the Republicans would want to handle the emails quietly for fear of being jumped on by Democrats for “gay bashing.”</p>
<p>Well, obviously, the actions weren’t “proportionate” 'cause they didn’t work. Duh! </p>
<p>To be fair, the leadership probably didn’t want to know, and wanted the whole thing to just go away. I think that would have been true in the case of either party, but the party of family values, with Rudi and Newt holding the banners high, happened to be in charge.</p>
<p>Zoos:</p>
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<a href=“http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/15259-1.html[/url]”>http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/15259-1.html</a></p>
<p>Why did Foley donate $100k to Reynolds in July?</p>
<p>Driver:
No one claims there are x-rated emails available! The emails are inappropriate and “sick,sicksicksicksicksicksicksicksicksick” They deserved investigation. The IM’s are perhaps felonious. They deserve criminal proceedings. For the third time I know the difference between emails and IM’s. Are you trying to confuse the issue. I find it hard to understand how any parent would not be upset if their child received these emails. And apparently the parents of the page involved was.</p>
<p>Thanks Gla.</p>
<p>Not sure I know who Bob Beckel is. But are the Republicans really concerned about being accused of ‘gay bashing?’</p>
<p>Bob Beckel is a democratic political consultant whose candidates always lose.</p>