<p>It is 4:1 female:male. I don’t even begin to understand HH’s stance, except to believe it is another stab at those awful, immoral gay people.</p>
<p>HH
What are Bob Beckels credentials. Do gay magazines with minors outnumber straight mags with young girls?</p>
<p>“Sure, what zooserman suggested is possible. It’s very possible that a young person – flattered and perhaps even attracted to a powerful, well known older person – might have engaged in sex with the person. Still, the older person would have been a predator, and in many areas, their behavior would have been illegal. The older person also would have IMO lacked a moral compass.”
Of course he was a predator. I didn’t mean to suggest otherwise in any fashion. I was surprised by that message because I had gotten the idea that it was a bunch of one-sided messages of harassment.</p>
<p>mini-
Who cares where Chelsea was? This is like saying that parents having sex while their kids are in the house is somehow wrong.</p>
<p>The location of other people is not germaine IMO unless they are witness to
the act or otherwise affected/neglected, etc.</p>
<p>Clinton and Guiliani were both adulterers. It’s a non-issue as far as I’m concerned if the wife knows and chooses to ignore it. There was a vast chasm of power between Clinton and Monica that manifested itself in her performance of sex acts for his enjoyment.</p>
<p>Foley also had positional power over these former pages. He is not mentally ill. He is a pedophile. I can’t help but think his position on the committee was so he could view pornography legitimately!</p>
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I think she is on record as stating that the enjoyment was mutual</p>
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Serial glibness is ok, but redundant serial glibness ceases to even rise to the level of glibness, and just becomes stale, obnoxious, and boring. Mini, work on a few new lines. Hey! Maybe even come up with a concept. As most know, Giuliani, with his pro-gay marriage views, his marital history, etc., is not going to be the choice of the “family values” wing of the Republican party. But he is going to be the nominee, just as Lieberman is going to defeat Lamont. Oh, here’s a blue smily-winky face for you.</p>
<p>zoos:
are these IM’s from the same teen whose parents asked for the emails not to be made public</p>
<p>I believe that the messages referred to in the article include two kids, one of whom was the kid in question. You know what, Gla, I find this quite confusing and if the parents were so adamant about protecting their kid (and, frankly, in light of the reciprocal nature of those messages, I understand why), how on earth did those messages get out? It doesn’t make sense to me (but, of course, I’m not that bright) that the kid or the family would have wanted them spread around. That’s just me and I don’t presume that anyone else is confused by any of this.</p>
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<p>In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.</p>
<p>Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.”</p>
<p>This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:</p>
<p>The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)</p>
<p>In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., “Adolescent Sex Offenders—Vermont, 1984” Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2) </p>
<p>In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, “Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,” Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)</p>
<p>Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)</p>
<p>“There was a vast chasm of power between Clinton and Monica that manifested itself in her performance of sex acts for his enjoyment.”</p>
<p>While I agree, it also seems pretty clear she threw herself at him.</p>
<p>Sometimes you don’t know whether to laugh or cry. The Washington Times in its lead editorial has called for Dennis Hastert to resign and has recommended that he be replaced by (trumpets!) – Henry Hyde of Illinois!!! What a truly ironic choice.</p>
<p>“a non-issue as far as I’m concerned if the wife knows and chooses to ignore it.”</p>
<p>Giuliani’s wife did NOT choose to ignore it, and that’s what resulted in the court order. He chose to poison his own household, publicly, in the Mayor’s official mansion, front page news in New York City, subjecting his 8-year-old to potential ridicule. The judge barred him from even seeing his children when his sex kitten was in their new digs. It cost him $6.8 million. </p>
<p>Maybe the party of family values will end up choosing between Newt and Rudy. Now that would be “interesting”.</p>
<p>(P.S. Sorry about the reference to Harding. I meant “Tonya”.)</p>
<p>gla,
Does it seem like the sexual relationship between Clinton and Monica was a mutual one? This brings me right back to the current issue of “virginal” teenage girls performing oral sex on boys, and not just their boyfriends, and both parties claim it is mutually satisfying. Inherent in this one-way act is a disparity in power.</p>
<p>As much as she wished it, Monica was not the President’s girlfriend and the balance of power in the relationship was always one-way. Abusive relationships have that character.</p>
<p>“Serial glibness is ok, but redundant serial glibness ceases to even rise to the level of glibness, and just becomes stale, obnoxious, and boring. Mini, work on a few new lines.”</p>
<p>There will be NO new lines, until the party of family values gives up on Bill (speaking of “stale, obnoxious, and boring”). Count on it - mention Bill’s consensual relationships, and you will have Newt and Rudy and Foley and the party of family values rubbed in your face.</p>
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If poor old Donna Hanover had been so concerned about subjecting her child to ridicule, perhaps she could have found a play other than “The Vagina Monologues” to act in, while living as a squatter in Gracie Mansion.</p>
<p>“Another stab at those awful, immoral gay people.”
So we really are not allowed to criticize men who prefer sex with boys, AM, are we? I made it clear I do not care what consenting same-sex adults do, and yet you still found it acceptable to post the above: why is that?</p>
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5:1 straight
3:1 straight</p>
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This seems to show that girls are more likely to be molested by men as are boys.
68% involved heterosexuals</p>
<p>Thanks for the research</p>
<p>“If poor old Donna Hanover had been so concerned about subjecting her child to ridicule, perhaps she could have found a play other than “The Vagina Monologues” to act in, while being a squatter in Gracie Mansion.”</p>
<p>The court made a clear finding who the “squatter” was, and it wasn’t Donna. But perhaps Rudy liked it while squatting. Hey, he’s entitled - although the judged disagreed.</p>
<p>mini-
a wife who responds to the infidelity of her husband by obtaining a court order to keep the girlfriend away from the house needs a good divorce lawyer!</p>
<p>The marriage was over. The best thing she could have done for the 8 year old you’re so concerned with is to move out of the governor’s mansion! It comes with the Governor’s job.</p>
<p>Oh, no, criticize away, and I will criticize with you (and have, all throughout this thread),</p>
<p>I was commenting more on your claim that there was a prepondeance of predatory action of gay men towards young boys, when all of the evidence refutes that claim. Now why is that?</p>
<p>Mini, I agree with you about Giuliani (I didn’t vote for him the second time in part because of his morals), but there were two minor children in the house, not just one, and I think the situation was more complicated than his just cheating. He had cancer at the time and Donna Hanover was publicly humiliating him, as well. Two wrongs don’t make a right, however, and the whole thing was just gross.</p>